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| satanmalin | hi everyone | 11:53 |
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| satanmalin | who isintersted in helping me to make the easyingres project on Linux | 12:06 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:06 |
| withdefault | satanmalin, are you looking at a bundle or would you like an appliance? | 12:07 |
| satanmalin | abundle | 12:08 |
| satanmalin | a bundle | 12:08 |
| satanmalin | like the one I ve done on windows | 12:08 |
| satanmalin | the appliance if i aint wrong | 12:08 |
| satanmalin | is os + apllication ? | 12:09 |
| satanmalin | withdefault | 12:10 |
| withdefault | that's one way of looking at it | 12:10 |
| satanmalin | okoi | 12:10 |
| satanmalin | ok | 12:10 |
| satanmalin | so indeed did you hear about easyingres ? | 12:10 |
| withdefault | yes I have | 12:10 |
| satanmalin | cooool | 12:11 |
| satanmalin | so now im gonna made it on linux | 12:11 |
| satanmalin | and I need hlep | 12:11 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 12:11 |
| satanmalin | easyingres is a bundle isnt it ? | 12:11 |
| grantc | that's one way of looking at it | 12:12 |
| grantc | its a collection of software | 12:12 |
| satanmalin | hi grantc | 12:12 |
| satanmalin | how could you describe easyingres ? | 12:12 |
| grantc | hi, sorry | 12:12 |
| satanmalin | is it a bundle an appliance ? | 12:13 |
| satanmalin | a shitty software ? | 12:13 |
| satanmalin | (LOL) | 12:13 |
| grantc | its a bundle of software | 12:13 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:13 |
| satanmalin | so withdefault you have your answer | 12:13 |
| satanmalin | ;-) | 12:13 |
| withdefault | sorry, I used appliance but instead I should have said rPath conary packaging which is one way of putting together the install | 12:14 |
| grantc | however getting it ported to Linux will be interesting, the advantage of using an appliance is that you can pre-prepare everything | 12:14 |
| satanmalin | heu grant you now my low level in Ingres | 12:14 |
| satanmalin | (and not only on ingres LOL) | 12:15 |
| satanmalin | what is an appliance / | 12:15 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:15 |
| grantc | if you want to do it so it works on the more popular linux distributions you have to take into consideration how ubuntu/debian/fedora/redhat/suse/gentoo | 12:15 |
| grantc | setup their PHP and apache... | 12:15 |
| satanmalin | ?? is it impossible to do somtehing like on windows ? | 12:16 |
| grantc | an appliance is a self contained os and software - like your washing machine... | 12:16 |
| satanmalin | install php apache and ingres ? | 12:16 |
| grantc | not impossible - just there are different problems to solve | 12:16 |
| satanmalin | like ... | 12:16 |
| satanmalin | see if php or apache is not still installed ? | 12:17 |
| grantc | you could install your own but. it's better to use the local one | 12:17 |
| grantc | if you supply your own you would need to build PHP / Apache for each distro ... | 12:17 |
| grantc | that is a world/lifetime of pain | 12:17 |
| satanmalin | and who can help me to do the "appliance' ??? | 12:18 |
| grantc | your best bet is to pick on Linux OS - say Ubuntu or Fedora and see what you need to do | 12:18 |
| satanmalin | i have installed an ubuntu | 12:18 |
| grantc | not me, sorry, i have never done much with rPath or Foresight | 12:18 |
| satanmalin | rPath ? | 12:19 |
| satanmalin | Foresight ? | 12:19 |
| grantc | Ingres's appliance solution is based on rPath linux (a bunch of guys that used to work for RedHat) | 12:20 |
| grantc | they have a community linux called foresight | 12:20 |
| withdefault | rPath Linux is the one used for appliance, Foresight Linux is the desktop version of it | 12:20 |
| grantc | rather not they, there is a community linux based on the source for rpath and other stuff | 12:21 |
| grantc | www.rpath.com | 12:21 |
| satanmalin | http://www.prospective-foresight.com/ | 12:21 |
| grantc | you are better off sticking with ubuntu from there someone can look at making an appliance | 12:21 |
| grantc | that someone could be you or someone else | 12:22 |
| satanmalin | I feel lost LOL | 12:23 |
| satanmalin | i thought it should have been mor easy | 12:24 |
| grantc | yes/no - there are different problems to solve | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | satanmalin is going to jump across his window | 12:25 |
| withdefault | it depends on how sophisticated you want to make the install | 12:26 |
| grantc | yup | 12:26 |
| satanmalin | i want the same thing that easyingres windows version | 12:27 |
| grantc | the simplest option would be to use Fedora or openSuSE for ingres | 12:27 |
| grantc | since we produce installer packages which can be customised | 12:27 |
| satanmalin | openSuSE is no way i wanted to install it on a test machine thenetwork has never worked since de 10.0 to the 11.0 | 12:27 |
| grantc | you can install ingres on Ubuntu/Debian but there are a few more steps | 12:28 |
| grantc | ok | 12:28 |
| satanmalin | I really fell lost | 12:28 |
| satanmalin | feel | 12:29 |
| grantc | its a different world | 12:29 |
| grantc | its like you going to the UK, people do the same things there as in france but differently :) | 12:29 |
| satanmalin | i know but its my first real application on linux and windows | 12:29 |
| satanmalin | the on i have done before were in C | 12:30 |
| satanmalin | and really small ones | 12:30 |
| withdefault | Since the project is open source you might look at http://installbuilder.bitrock.com/index.html which has open source licenses and see if it qualifies | 12:31 |
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| satanmalin | enjoy your meal grantc | 12:32 |
| satanmalin | that was something i was lookoing for | 12:32 |
| satanmalin | thanks withdefault | 12:33 |
| satanmalin | but it seems that is not opensource or not free | 12:33 |
| withdefault | http://installbuilder.bitrock.com/open-source-licenses.html | 12:34 |
| satanmalin | sorry | 12:34 |
| satanmalin | was on the buy page | 12:34 |
| satanmalin | i have to contact them | 12:36 |
| withdefault | sorry, I've not looked past the first page | 12:36 |
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| atrofast | satanmalin: there's also an open source java based installer that we used for Ingres CAFE: IzPack | 12:51 |
| atrofast | Requires no application :) | 12:51 |
| pboro | hahaa, Oracle has bought Sun | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | thanks atrofast | 12:53 |
| pboro | http://www.sun.com/third-party/global/oracle/index.jsp | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | would you like to help me for easyingres linux version ? | 12:54 |
| pboro | which linux? | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | the problem is that one | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | ALL ones | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | or instead the major part of | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | the distro | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | i feel quiet alone | 13:01 |
| pboro | major distros are either based on RPM or DPKG | 13:02 |
| pboro | so you could create both rpm package and deb package, but it will require some real work to make them work on several distros | 13:02 |
| satanmalin | so izPack seems to be a good choice | 13:02 |
| pboro | oh, you're not going to use native packaging of the distro | 13:03 |
| pboro | distros even | 13:03 |
| Gerhard | silly question: why don't they integrate PHP support into the Icebreaker appliance? | 13:03 |
| pboro | Gerhard, that would prolly make more sense | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | gerhard silly question are my sepciality | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | no i think using native packages is too hard to manage | 13:05 |
| pboro | How are you going to solve all library dependencies then? | 13:06 |
| pboro | by compiling a static build? | 13:06 |
| pboro | or just by supporting couple distros or how :) | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | statci build ?? | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | i thought but my skills are really bad | 13:07 |
| satanmalin | i thought doing like for easyingres | 13:07 |
| pboro | a static build is one that doesn't depend on any external libraries | 13:07 |
| withdefault | Gerhard, the PHP driver has already been packaged using conary packaging for inclusion into rPath Linux. | 13:07 |
| satanmalin | pboro like | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | installing ingres | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | coptying the files | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | like a fresh install ? | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | flash | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | pboro ill explain you how i have made easyingres on windows and youll tell me | 13:09 |
| satanmalin | if it is like you think ok ? | 13:09 |
| pboro | windows is rather easy since it's just one OS with certain libraries (DLLs) | 13:09 |
| pboro | but every Linux distro potentially have different glibc version etc. | 13:09 |
| satanmalin | first of all i have installed ingres in a folder | 13:09 |
| satanmalin | i have copyed all the file | 13:09 |
| satanmalin | on the c:\etc\ingres into an other folder | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | then i have done the same with php | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | the same for apache | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | etc | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | and after all | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | i have rebuild a package with all thoese files | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | is it a static install ? | 13:10 |
| pboro | no, but in Windows the problem is not the same as on Linux | 13:11 |
| Gerhard | What about this one: http://esd.ingres.com/product/icebreaker/Enterprise_Content_Management/Appliances | 13:11 |
| satanmalin | but pboro doing like that | 13:11 |
| satanmalin | using | 13:11 |
| Gerhard | Alfresco is also PHP based, right? | 13:11 |
| satanmalin | Izpack | 13:11 |
| satanmalin | does the probleme not solved? | 13:11 |
| pboro | satanmalin, I don't see that to be a good way, but of course it's up to you | 13:12 |
| satanmalin | Iz pack will translate it dependaing the distro isn it ? | 13:12 |
| satanmalin | honnestly | 13:12 |
| satanmalin | i dont know how to do ths package | 13:12 |
| satanmalin | stephane padique told me | 13:13 |
| withdefault | Gerhard, Alfresco is Java based there is PHP integration which hasn't been included in the base Icebreaker ECM appliance | 13:13 |
| satanmalin | " we can do a fedora live cd.the job consist in endembedding installation in one or more rpm packages: | 13:14 |
| satanmalin | and thats why i ask help | 13:14 |
| satanmalin | I dont know How to do | 13:14 |
| pboro | building a fedora live cd with easyingres stuff included will surely be easier way | 13:15 |
| satanmalin | and may you help me ? | 13:15 |
| pboro | than trying to create a universal installer for all / major distros | 13:15 |
| satanmalin | but some application create a universal installer | 13:16 |
| pboro | I'm sorry, I don't have the time :/ Also, it's pretty boring... if I have spare time I like to spend it on something more exciting :) | 13:16 |
| satanmalin | oki | 13:16 |
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| atrofast | grantc: hey what where the env variable you declared to make openapi dump useful debugging info? | 15:11 |
| atrofast | NM found it | 15:14 |
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| atrofast | Has anyone used the spatial library here? | 17:11 |
| atrofast | The old one that is | 17:11 |
| atrofast | I get errors from a table with a long line data type in it | 17:12 |
| atrofast | It creates fine but any operation on it causes errors | 17:12 |
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| atrofast | Anyone know where i can find instructions on how to install the old spatial library? I have the tar package but not sure how to make Ingres use it | 19:19 |
| DarylM | I don't have a clue | 19:20 |
| atrofast | You're supposed to use iilink I believe | 19:21 |
| atrofast | Would the instructions be in any of the Ingres docs? | 19:23 |
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| clach04 | atrofast: I have a cheat sheat for spatial - it is not very complete for VMS but Unix and Wintel is covered | 21:22 |
| atrofast | clach04: If you could mail it, that would be really awesome :) | 21:24 |
| clach04 | on its way.... | 21:25 |
| atrofast | Got it, many thanks | 21:33 |
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| pboro | ahh, got our all production systems patched with 13322 | 22:18 |
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