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| wibbler | hi NoeJeko | 08:31 |
| NoeJeko | hi | 08:31 |
| wibbler | how's the upgrade going | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | eh.. it's.. going, heh | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | quite a few things i didn't think about when preparing | 08:32 |
| wibbler | :) | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | but i'll work through it | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | there were just so many moving parts to this upgate... | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | *date | 08:32 |
| NoeJeko | meh, its 12:30 am | 08:32 |
| wibbler | plenty of time then ... | 08:32 |
| wibbler | i am logging in from my home box and cannot get in to my bouncer... hence wibbler not grantc | 08:33 |
| NoeJeko | oh, now it makes more sense how you know who i am and what i'm working on haha! | 08:34 |
| wibbler | ;) | 08:34 |
| NoeJeko | USENET import is running now | 08:34 |
| wibbler | withdefault: I am playing with s3cmd now... s3fs does not work very well on the mac | 08:34 |
| NoeJeko | isn't withdefault... you? | 08:35 |
| withdefault | people like to thinkj so :) | 08:35 |
| wibbler | NoeJeko: did you ask about the openroad mailing list? | 08:35 |
| NoeJeko | i didn't | 08:35 |
| Alex| | grant's always talking to his own egos | 08:35 |
| NoeJeko | just because i didn't want to add another moving part | 08:35 |
| NoeJeko | if everything works well we'll look at adding other newsgroups/lists in a couple weeks | 08:35 |
| wibbler | I may have a big head but it does not extend to showing bi-polar symptoms... | 08:35 |
| NoeJeko | you should be able to see the new layout on the "site down" message right now | 08:36 |
| wibbler | Alex|: i may have a fix for your client... | 08:36 |
| NoeJeko | for those that haven't seen it yet | 08:36 |
| wibbler | yeah i took a look | 08:36 |
| withdefault | s3fs uses more get and put requests as a file system I've managed something like 150k at $0.10 per 1k | 08:36 |
| Alex| | wibbler - me too, but he wouldn't like that ;p | 08:36 |
| wibbler | the ingres logo background is a bit dark compare to the rest of the screen | 08:36 |
| wibbler | Alex|: not sure i want to know | 08:37 |
| NoeJeko | eh? try to refresh it because im looking at it in 3 browsers and do not see that | 08:37 |
| Alex| | :) | 08:37 |
| wibbler | btw that Jruby issue is in my Q now... | 08:37 |
| Alex| | he said he would try the patched code next week..... | 08:37 |
| withdefault | wibbler, your bouncer is reporting authentication errors for you | 08:37 |
| wibbler | i'll fwd you another patch | 08:37 |
| Alex| | ah, great... I will be on that workshop on the 18th and still have no idea what to tell them about ruby, as they already use it and it's not working :) | 08:38 |
| wibbler | Alex|: not sure when i will get to work on it... | 08:38 |
| Alex| | no problem.. one thing after the other, right :) | 08:38 |
| Alex| | I just need to tell them something that makes them happy | 08:38 |
| Alex| | it's being worked on will do the job for a while.. | 08:39 |
| wibbler | my gut feeling is it's a big "can o' worms".... | 08:40 |
| Alex| | they also want to have geospatial - NOW... so whatever.... | 08:40 |
| wibbler | ah in that case :) | 08:41 |
| Alex| | a typical /. headline - Penguin Poop Seen From Space (http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/166222/Penguin-Poop-Seen-From-Space) | 08:41 |
| wibbler | NoeJeko: take a look at http://croker.net/~grant/logos.png | 08:43 |
| wibbler | that's with chrome and firefox | 08:43 |
| NoeJeko | that's weird... | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | i'm in chrome and firefox | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | oh | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | max | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | *mac | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | i can't recreate that unless someone can convince doug to buy me a mac =D | 08:44 |
| wibbler | safari is the same | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | but its all on mac.. | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | all of my windows clients look fine | 08:44 |
| NoeJeko | chrome, opera, ie, ff, safari | 08:45 |
| NoeJeko | on win is all ok | 08:45 |
| wibbler | :( | 08:45 |
| Alex| | how is it supposed to look like? | 08:46 |
| NoeJeko | there are a few color discrepancies there, actually | 08:46 |
| NoeJeko | is alex on a mac as well? | 08:46 |
| NoeJeko | =[ | 08:46 |
| wibbler | nah Alex| is hardcore gentoo :) | 08:46 |
| Alex| | no, Linux... the logo seems transparent here, i.e. no other background color | 08:46 |
| NoeJeko | its supposed to be the same colour grey | 08:46 |
| NoeJeko | and on the blue bar the transition is supposed to be seamless | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | at least, thats how i see it | 08:47 |
| Alex| | a jpg... is the background gradient an image? | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | for the logo, the background is.. | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | meh i dont remember | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | solid grey | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | the same grey as the top of the gradient | 08:47 |
| Alex| | what's with a transparent png? | 08:47 |
| wibbler | y not transparent? | 08:47 |
| NoeJeko | because i just copied the existing logo from ingres.com... | 08:48 |
| Alex| | ah :) | 08:48 |
| NoeJeko | not a fan of reinventing wheels | 08:48 |
| NoeJeko | and it appeared to work for me.. | 08:48 |
| Alex| | weird that the mac renders the jpg with different colors.. because the gradient itself looks the same as mine here | 08:48 |
| Alex| | only the logo background is darker | 08:48 |
| NoeJeko | i dunno, but i don't have every environment imaginable to test it, heh | 08:49 |
| NoeJeko | but if there are significant issues, i can make a case for doug to buy me a mac | 08:49 |
| Alex| | :) | 08:49 |
| wibbler | what about on your ifawn? | 08:49 |
| wibbler | not that i want to stop doug getting you new toyz ;) | 08:50 |
| NoeJeko | looks perfectly fine on iphone | 08:50 |
| wibbler | withdefault: s3cmd is working better than s3fs, the only thing is you don't get to treat the bucket as a disk... which is ok for what I want | 08:53 |
| withdefault | makes sense - treating like a disk is too slow | 08:53 |
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| wibbler | http://s3tools.org/download - for s3cmd, written in python | 08:55 |
| NoeJeko | ok lol.. this is going to need a roudn 2 of revisions | 08:55 |
| NoeJeko | i forgot to point the default vbulletin login things to our login... again | 08:56 |
| Alex| | great... rain at 8°C.. where's my winter jacket... | 09:00 |
| wibbler | Alex|: re the penguin poo - have you not seen the series planet earth? | 09:01 |
| Alex| | guess not... | 09:02 |
| wibbler | it's worth the money | 09:02 |
| Alex| | then I would have known more about pengiun poo... ? ;) | 09:02 |
| wibbler | one bit is about the penguins so you get to see it ;) | 09:03 |
| wibbler | they huddle together for 6+months trying to keep warm... | 09:04 |
| Alex| | I'll think about it :) | 09:04 |
| wibbler | http://www.amazon.de/Planet-Earth-UK-Alastair-Fothergill/dp/B000EXZL4I | 09:04 |
| withdefault | Great in HD :) | 09:05 |
| wibbler | if you have a high-def tv and blueray it's supposed to be really good... | 09:05 |
| wibbler | there you go | 09:05 |
| Alex| | :) | 09:05 |
| wibbler | NoeJeko: fwiw - opera on the mac looks "normal" | 09:08 |
| NoeJeko | how funny | 09:09 |
| NoeJeko | opera is usually one of the harder ones to get to play nice | 09:09 |
| wibbler | let me try camino (uses gecko 1.9) | 09:10 |
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| wibbler | err the logo looks fine but the blue graphic is not showing | 09:13 |
| NoeJeko | =x | 09:13 |
| wibbler | welcome to the wibbly wobbly web | 09:13 |
| NoeJeko | at some point there needs to be a sanity check on what browsers we make an effort to support | 09:13 |
| wibbler | i guess shane has a mac right? | 09:15 |
| NoeJeko | yeah, ill probably end up borrowing his unless i can get doug to buy me one heh | 09:15 |
| NoeJeko | it makes sense for opera/safari/ff on mac | 09:15 |
| NoeJeko | but ive never even heard of a camino.. and never once seen it in web analytics | 09:16 |
| wibbler | it could be the versions of the browsers I am using, all beta releases (if not alpha with chrome) except opera | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | actually | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | thats probably it | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | i did a contract job for a friend a while back | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | and he was reporting weirc color issues on windows/safari | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | that i couldnt see | 09:16 |
| NoeJeko | turns out he was on a safari beta | 09:16 |
| wibbler | but each browser uses a different engine so they should all be independant | 09:17 |
| NoeJeko | still, we found a common denominator - all the ones that were whacked were betas | 09:18 |
| NoeJeko | also, your syntax highlighter was added to the wiki and has been confirmed working - at least for PHP | 09:19 |
| wibbler | sweet | 09:19 |
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| NoeJeko | for imagemagick | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | what package specifically did you need? | 09:21 |
| wibbler | that one | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | here are the options in our yum repository | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-devel.i386 : Static libraries and header files for ImageMagick app development. | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick.i386 : An X application for displaying and manipulating images. | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-c++-devel.i386 : C++ bindings for the ImageMagick library | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-c++.i386 : ImageMagick Magick++ library (C++ bindings) | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-perl.i386 : ImageMagick perl bindings | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick.i386 : An X application for displaying and manipulating images. | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-perl.i386 : ImageMagick perl bindings | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-c++-devel.i386 : C++ bindings for the ImageMagick library | 09:21 |
| wibbler | ImageMagick | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-c++.i386 : ImageMagick Magick++ library (C++ bindings) | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick-devel.i386 : Static libraries and header files for ImageMagick app development. | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | ImageMagick.i386 : An X application for displaying and manipulating images. | 09:21 |
| NoeJeko | that's an X application.. | 09:22 |
| NoeJeko | that's the one you needed? | 09:22 |
| wibbler | it's an X application= | 09:26 |
| wibbler | ? | 09:26 |
| NoeJeko | i was assuming it could only run within X | 09:26 |
| wibbler | it's a set ofimage manipulation apps | 09:27 |
| wibbler | the one the wiki needs is "convert" | 09:27 |
| wibbler | which comes in ImageMagick | 09:27 |
| NoeJeko | Package ImageMagick - 6.2.8.0-4.el5_1.1.i386 is already installed. | 09:27 |
| NoeJeko | it's already there... | 09:27 |
| wibbler | ok | 09:30 |
| NoeJeko | why the hell aren't my drop downs working on the wiki.. D= | 09:32 |
| wibbler | time for some breakfast | 09:34 |
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| NoeJeko | oh yeah | 09:55 |
| NoeJeko | i think... once c.d.i finishes importing | 09:56 |
| NoeJeko | ... this worked | 09:56 |
| NoeJeko | halp please... | 10:28 |
| wibbler | ? | 10:33 |
| NoeJeko | doug wants me to run a poll for what users think of the new community | 10:34 |
| NoeJeko | but he wants it to only have.. positive options | 10:34 |
| NoeJeko | how to do that? | 10:34 |
| NoeJeko | It's Great! It's good! It's pretty good... | 10:34 |
| wibbler | hugo chavez would be proud | 10:34 |
| NoeJeko | heh... | 10:34 |
| wibbler | 4 options i guess, great, good, much the same... | 10:35 |
| wibbler | ok make that 3 :) | 10:35 |
| NoeJeko | those options sound weird though.. | 10:36 |
| NoeJeko | 1. Great | 10:36 |
| NoeJeko | 2. Good | 10:36 |
| NoeJeko | 3. Same | 10:36 |
| wibbler | indifferent... | 10:36 |
| NoeJeko | i'm too tired to think of something more eloquent... | 10:36 |
| wibbler | what's wrong with some -ve feedback.... as long as it is not snarky, and I would guess that a you can only vote to say i am great will attract snarky results | 10:37 |
| NoeJeko | i agree with your view on it | 10:37 |
| NoeJeko | i think i'll just hold on the poll until i talk to him monday | 10:38 |
| wibbler | indeed | 10:38 |
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| wibbler | any attempt to "control" the conversation will back fire and in this day and age there are easy ways to reply to which we have no control over... | 10:38 |
| NoeJeko | yup - i thought it was weird when he suggested it but i was too busy to rebut it on the spot, heh | 10:40 |
| NoeJeko | i think i'll go ahead and runt he one about ESD downloads | 10:41 |
| NoeJeko | because he didn't have any weird restrictions on voting options heh | 10:41 |
| NoeJeko | ok, i'm going to turn it back on | 10:41 |
| NoeJeko | the comp.databases.ingres import is going to take another couple of hours | 10:41 |
| NoeJeko | but i'm not waiting up on that.. | 10:41 |
| NoeJeko | any issues with it, just drop me a /msg here or email | 10:42 |
| wibbler | ok | 10:43 |
| wibbler | g'nite | 10:43 |
| NoeJeko | its live | 10:44 |
| wibbler | login is not working from the home ta | 10:44 |
| NoeJeko | oh hell i forgot to turnt hat back on | 10:44 |
| wibbler | tab | 10:44 |
| NoeJeko | haha.. moment | 10:44 |
| NoeJeko | oh, yeah that one i know | 10:44 |
| NoeJeko | i mentioned earlier that i forgot to point those to the right location | 10:45 |
| wibbler | xajax debug is enabled | 10:45 |
| NoeJeko | what? | 10:45 |
| NoeJeko | err.. | 10:45 |
| NoeJeko | oops | 10:45 |
| wibbler | will be back in a moment - got some stuff to do | 10:46 |
| NoeJeko | ok should be off | 10:46 |
| wibbler | NoeJeko: one more think - the black bar in the wiki pages still needs shifting to the left | 10:58 |
| NoeJeko | oi.. um, yeah i'll get that one when i wake up... | 10:58 |
| wibbler | also some images are missing from the wiki - http://community.ingres.com/wiki/Image:Blogs.pi.org.grant.png | 10:59 |
| NoeJeko | ? | 10:59 |
| NoeJeko | that shows up just fine for me | 11:00 |
| Alex| | the twitter filter doesn't seem to exclude enough :) | 11:00 |
| NoeJeko | the twitter filter will never exclude enough | 11:00 |
| Alex| | :) | 11:00 |
| NoeJeko | *generally* its mostly about us | 11:00 |
| wibbler | does it load the tweets for each load of the home page? | 11:02 |
| NoeJeko | it caches them - or at least its supposed to | 11:03 |
| Alex| | I suggest to link the ingres logo to ingres.com not to community... | 11:04 |
| wibbler | surprised to see a tweet for planetingres turn up so quickly | 11:04 |
| Alex| | otherwise there is just one link there in the footer | 11:04 |
| NoeJeko | lol at this rate ill be up all night... please just compile suggestions and issues and i'll get to them when i can see straight again =] | 11:05 |
| Alex| | go to bed :) | 11:05 |
| wibbler | yeah g'nite ... | 11:05 |
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