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| pboro | ahh... migrated today from Sun Solaris 64-bit to Linux RHEL x86_64 with Ingres 9.2 :) | 04:00 |
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| bonsaikitten | that's an interesting migration path | 04:02 |
| bonsaikitten | masochist? ;) | 04:02 |
| pboro | naah, it took only three hours and cuts our costs pretty nicely | 04:03 |
| bonsaikitten | what costs? | 04:13 |
| pboro | support subscriptions and hardware | 04:13 |
| bonsaikitten | ah yes :) | 04:13 |
| bonsaikitten | I usually am the support, so there's not much cost to cut | 04:14 |
| pboro | we have such a thin organization that it's more cost effective to buy support from the vendors than trying to keep people competent with anything and everything | 04:15 |
| bonsaikitten | ah, you have a boss that doesn't only count money | 04:15 |
| pboro | the biggest change was moving from 4 CPU machine with single cores to 1 CPU machine with four cores... Ingres subscriptions goes down to 1/4 :D | 04:18 |
| pboro | since the price tag is per cpu | 04:18 |
| bonsaikitten | I think I remember why I prefer pure opensource solutions ;) | 04:18 |
| pboro | well... either you buy the service from a vendor or hire the people to do it inhouse (or don't do it at all and accept the risks) | 04:19 |
| bonsaikitten | yeah, but with OSS solutions you can switch support vendors | 04:20 |
| pboro | it's pretty expensive to have an employee in finland because of the tax policies etc. | 04:20 |
| pboro | Ingres is OSS :) | 04:20 |
| bonsaikitten | yes, it is now :) | 04:21 |
| bonsaikitten | also, employees are cheap if you think about it | 04:21 |
| pboro | oh, how? :) | 04:21 |
| pboro | in what country are you? it depends highly on the taxing etc... | 04:21 |
| bonsaikitten | if 1h downtime costs you 20kEur then an employee that saves 5h downtime is a cheap investment | 04:21 |
| pboro | hehe well that's true | 04:21 |
| bonsaikitten | and I'm in germany, taxes here are somewhere between amusing and hilarious | 04:22 |
| pboro | yup | 04:23 |
| bonsaikitten | and at the moment companies try to push down IT salaries | 04:23 |
| bonsaikitten | if I'd get paid the same as a secretary I have no motivation to stress myself with an admin job ;) | 04:24 |
| pboro | oh? is it possible to cut salaries in germany? without a consent from the employee? | 04:24 |
| bonsaikitten | no, but if you're looking for a job ... | 04:24 |
| pboro | yeah, well that's a different story... | 04:24 |
| pboro | I work for a finnish university, our salaries are mostly pretty low :D | 04:25 |
| bonsaikitten | hmm | 04:25 |
| bonsaikitten | move to switzerland ;) | 04:25 |
| pboro | hehe | 04:26 |
| bonsaikitten | great country. | 04:26 |
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