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| quelgeek | @xenu: are you planning to attend the Ingres Users Association conference in London on June 19? | 10:47 |
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| Dejan | quelgeek, hello there :) | 11:06 |
| Dejan | QUEL sux, Tutorial D rox | 11:06 |
| Dejan | j/k | 11:06 |
| Dejan | quelgeek, do you use QUEL? :) | 11:07 |
| Dejan | I can't access actian.com pages... | 11:10 |
| Dejan | is it only me, or you guys have the same problem? | 11:11 |
| Vroomfondle | not just you | 11:11 |
| Vroomfondle | it's refusing connections | 11:11 |
| quelgeek | There has been a serious c*ck-up at Rackspace that has taken out all the Actian servers. The entire site is being "rebuilt" from backups. There was supposedly a failover server but it hasn't worked. The problem started during the weekend. | 11:55 |
| Dejan | :( | 11:57 |
| quelgeek | Dejan: no, I no longer use QUEL. It showed real promise about 20 years ago but the world decided bags were better than sets and went with SQL. (You don't mean Tutorial D do you? You mean the other D.) | 11:58 |
| Dejan | i was joking about Tutorial D | 11:59 |
| Dejan | although i think it would be nice academic project | 11:59 |
| Dejan | to allow querying using Tutorial D | 12:00 |
| Dejan | :) | 12:00 |
| Dejan | too bad Actian does not really do things the open-source way, if the did, they could actually mentor a GSoC project for this | 12:00 |
| quelgeek | The wreckage of Alphora is still out there somewhere, still trying to implement Tutorial D. | 12:00 |
| Dejan | s/the/they/ | 12:00 |
| Dejan | quelgeek, do you have a link? | 12:01 |
| quelgeek | Adrian Hudnott at Warwick was working on it with assistance from Doug and Bill and others. | 12:01 |
| Dejan | ah, i see | 12:01 |
| Dejan | i wonder how much of the stuff they presented last year about MVC went into Ingres... | 12:02 |
| quelgeek | Re Alphora, try www.dataphor.org. | 12:02 |
| Dejan | yeah, already there - empty | 12:03 |
| Dejan | ah no, still loading | 12:03 |
| quelgeek | None of Adrian's stuff has made it into Ingres (yet). But then again someone from Actian has recently told me "nobody is interested in MVCC". *sigh* | 12:04 |
| quelgeek | Re Alphora, look up Nigel Williams on LinkedIn. He was all keen on doing an Ingres driver for Dataphor and he was fairly active in that community. Maybe he still is. | 12:06 |
| quelgeek | He (Nigel) is in Australia somewhere if you need to disambiguate the name. | 12:07 |
| Dejan | I never looked that deep into Ingres - is is possible to easily implement a storage driver like it is in MariaDB/MySQL? | 12:18 |
| Dejan | Ingres should have pluggable query processing... which i assume it probably has considering it supports SQL and QUEL | 12:27 |
| Dejan | god, i wish redmine works with ingres... | 12:44 |
| Dejan | :( | 12:44 |
| Dejan | i think i will learn Ruby just so i can make ingres support in redmine | 12:44 |
| DarylM | Hi Dejan. What is it about Ruby that helps with Redmine? | 14:21 |
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| quelgeek | I see the Actian web servers have been restored. Just in time to serve Fred Gallagher's very pleasing VW-on-Dell TPC-H results! http://dell.to/R720-TPCH | 15:05 |
| quelgeek | ...very pleasing *announcement of*... | 15:05 |
| Dejan | DarylM, well, redmine is written in Ruby :) | 15:06 |
| Dejan | so if i want Redmine to use Ingres, i will have to write it myself | 15:06 |
| DarylM | You mean for a schema support point of view. Or is there a feature issue with the driver? | 15:07 |
| Dejan | the first | 15:09 |
| DarylM | Yea, common problem. | 16:12 |
| DarylM | "Standard" SQL is rarely very "Standard" | 16:13 |
| DarylM | Although I was a little disappointed that Redmine used vendor specific schema definitions. | 16:13 |
| Dejan | i believe other RDBMSes are more popular than SQL standard conforming :) | 16:28 |
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| Dejan | DarylM, unfortunately, there is no FULL SQL conformant RDBMS | 16:34 |
| quelgeek | A fully conformant SQL database would not be an RDBMS...[quelgeek runs away] | 16:38 |
| * Dejan nods | 16:38 | |
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| DarylM | LoL | 16:43 |
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