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| Alex| | welcome jeremypeel | 07:53 |
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| jeremypeel | Good morning all! | 07:53 |
| Alex| | :) | 07:53 |
| jeremypeel | Just installed chat in my Eclipse instance. | 07:54 |
| Alex| | so it works :) | 07:55 |
| jeremypeel | That is exactly what I was hoping you'd be able to confirm for me. Thanks! | 07:56 |
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| grantc | must resist... | 08:04 |
| Alex| | let it out | 08:04 |
| grantc | :) | 08:05 |
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| grantc | @uk peeps - is it mothering sunday this weekend? | 08:34 |
| ii_log | grantc: Error: "uk" is not a valid command. | 08:34 |
| grantc | @ uk peeps - is it mothering sunday this weekend? | 08:34 |
| ii_log | grantc: Error: "uk" is not a valid command. | 08:34 |
| withdefault | no mothering sunday is 22nd | 09:45 |
| grantc | thanks withdefault | 09:45 |
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| troal01 | Gah Ingres source code is so cryptic | 12:41 |
| troal01 | I love this comment: **This routine does stuff with locations -- I guess it checks them out. | 12:42 |
| satanmalin | hi everyone | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | grantc did you recieved my mail ? | 12:49 |
| grantc | yup | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | with esy ingres link ? | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | when you have time tell me what do ya think aboutir | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | about it | 12:50 |
| grantc | yup i have downloaded it but i want to have a clean machine to install it to | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | oki LOL | 12:50 |
| grantc | I only have one XP box here and I use that to do my builds | 12:50 |
| grantc | i cannot risk it being fscked up | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | yep im undesrtand | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | I underestand | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | I hope you 'll like it | 12:51 |
| grantc | i have a vm I am trying to update so I can install the demo. | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | I have thought about sth telle me if Im wrong | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | something is strange with the demo | 12:52 |
| satanmalin | why the index is not the loggin page ? | 12:52 |
| grantc | I cannot answer that | 12:52 |
| grantc | it's based on a C# application - I don't know what the original design decisions where | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | because of course evry time i launch the demo i have a 500 error | 12:53 |
| grantc | were even.. | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | of course im not logged in | 12:53 |
| grantc | I did not see that on linux | 12:53 |
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| satanmalin | LOL oki | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | that was only a quation i wondered | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | question | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | ny logic the fist page might be the logging page | 12:55 |
| grantc | i guess that the first page is the search since that gets you into the application | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | yes but quiet bizare how can you have a result without be logged | 12:56 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:56 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 12:56 |
| satanmalin | being | 12:56 |
| grantc | not really | 12:57 |
| grantc | if apache and ingres are setup correctly you don't need to log in to ingres | 12:57 |
| grantc | did you modify LocalSettings.php ? | 12:57 |
| satanmalin | nope | 12:57 |
| grantc | that's your problem | 12:57 |
| grantc | the application connects to ingres with the "ingres" account | 12:58 |
| grantc | you either need to add the password for Ingres or change the account it uses (assuming that account has the correct access levels) | 12:58 |
| satanmalin | i only yep but bruno told me that people wont agree to have their pasword recoverd to be "displyed into the demo" | 12:59 |
| grantc | this problem is partly due to the logic the application uses to connect to ingres | 13:00 |
| grantc | if the apache process owner is a valid ingres user you can connect using ingres_connect($database), providing no login/password | 13:00 |
| satanmalin | thats why i thought it was better to have the index on the loggin page | 13:01 |
| grantc | i guess you can change that for easy ingres if you wish? | 13:01 |
| satanmalin | Ill try | 13:01 |
| satanmalin | what do ya think about my idea ? | 13:01 |
| grantc | sounds ok | 13:01 |
| satanmalin | Am i wrong ? | 13:01 |
| grantc | it's up to you | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | ill do it (more logical according to myself LOL) | 13:05 |
| grantc | sure | 13:05 |
| satanmalin | send me a maiil when you have tried easyingres and tell me your opinion ( it counts a lot cause you have supported me and helped me ) | 13:06 |
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| grantc | ok - the machine is now installing 40 patches so I don't know if i will get time today to look at it | 13:07 |
| satanmalin | no problem | 13:08 |
| grantc | i need to go cook lunch | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | and a lot of thanks grant | 13:08 |
| grantc | no problem | 13:08 |
| * grantc slopes off | 13:08 | |
| satanmalin | dont you have a wife to do it for you ? | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 13:08 |
| grantc | yes but she also knows how to use a knife... | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | LOL oki | 13:09 |
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| DarylM | morning(or afternoon). I have a picture from the EasyIngres install :( http://files.me.com/monda07/s8rljo | 13:25 |
| SlimeyPete | you can get MSVCRT71.dll from various websites for free | 13:26 |
| DarylM | It is supposed to be a self-contained package | 13:26 |
| SlimeyPete | if you're desperate to get it working now | 13:26 |
| SlimeyPete | yeah, so I hear. | 13:26 |
| DarylM | Not desperate. | 13:27 |
| SlimeyPete | I think satanmalin is the one you need to highlight | 13:27 |
| SlimeyPete | ^^ like so :D | 13:27 |
| DarylM | Using absolutely clean VMs is a great testing strategy. | 13:27 |
| DarylM | Most of us keep so much crud on our systems it affects testing. | 13:28 |
| * DarylM thinks testing is a variation of Heisenburg .... | 13:29 | |
| Alex| | you either know where the bug is or how fast it is but never both at the same time :) | 13:30 |
| troal01 | Anyone know what the uleFormat/uleFormatNV function does? | 13:30 |
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| pboro | oops... pressing ctrl-c while createdb running doesn't seem to be a good idea | 14:50 |
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| troal01 | grantc: To build Ingres on Windows, what compilers can I use? | 16:55 |
| grantc | visual studio 2003 | 16:55 |
| troal01 | That's it? mingw32 won't work? | 16:56 |
| grantc | no | 16:56 |
| grantc | if you want to port the code base to mingw32 feel free | 16:56 |
| grantc | you can download visual studio express and use that compliler | 16:57 |
| troal01 | Will VS 2005 or 2008 work? | 16:57 |
| troal01 | Or is it only 2003 | 16:57 |
| grantc | to be honest I don't know. withdefault might? | 16:57 |
| grantc | i know that we will need to use 08 at some point | 16:58 |
| troal01 | Is there a good wiki for setting up a build environment in VS 2003? | 16:59 |
| withdefault | Ingres builds on windows is certified with VS 2003, in addition VS 2005 is required if you need to build the .NET components. | 16:59 |
| withdefault | There is currently a project to get Ingres to build with VS 2008 | 16:59 |
| grantc | internally there might be but it might also be dependant on you using piccolo | 17:00 |
| troal01 | I find Viktoriya's wiki but it talks about installing cygwin etc | 17:02 |
| troal01 | Found even | 17:02 |
| grantc | http://wiki.ingres.prv/bin/view/Engineering/Opensauce/GrantsIngWinEnvironment - it might be out of date since i wrote that whilst we were at CA | 17:04 |
| grantc | the most difficult part is the bootstrap - getting setup | 17:05 |
| grantc | once you have the tools and the code the rest kind of falls in to place... | 17:06 |
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| troal01 | grantc: Okay so if I build with VS 2003, why do I need cygwin? | 17:11 |
| grantc | awk/grep/sed etc.. | 17:11 |
| grantc | previously and perhaps even now we used the MKS toolkit | 17:12 |
| grantc | perhaps we need flex? | 17:12 |
| troal01 | Ah so just for tools, not for the compiler | 17:13 |
| grantc | not for the compiler, no | 17:13 |
| troal01 | Okay does Ingres have a license for MKS Toolkit? | 17:14 |
| troal01 | Because it's not free software | 17:14 |
| grantc | no you can use cygwin | 17:14 |
| grantc | i had a personal copy that i managed to obtain from somewhere... | 17:15 |
| troal01 | thepiratebay.org ? :D | 17:17 |
| grantc | you don't need mks... cygwin will do just fine | 17:18 |
| bonro011 | Try this for building on Windows: http://community.ingres.com/wiki/Building_Ingres_On_Windows | 17:23 |
| troal01 | Thank you bonro011! | 17:23 |
| bonro011 | aah, I got a extra 1 added to my id. :) | 17:23 |
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| troal01 | Ah crap, will Ingres build on Vista 32bit? | 17:25 |
| bonro01 | I've never tried it on Vista. | 17:26 |
| bonro01 | the build is probably more dependant on the VS2003 compiler, it may work on Vista if you install VS2003 there. | 17:28 |
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| troal01 | I'll let everyone know how it goes, if it works I'll update the Wiki | 17:37 |
| withdefault | troa01, you may need to get the latest service pack for VS 2003 if you intend to try and install on Vista | 17:47 |
| withdefault | doh, missed the l, troal01 | 17:48 |
| troal01 | Alright I'll keep that in mind, thank you withdefault | 17:49 |
| * troal01 is torrenting VS2003 | 17:50 | |
| satanmalin | Im here | 17:54 |
| satanmalin | what is the problem ? | 17:54 |
| satanmalin | sorry i was out | 17:54 |
| satanmalin | eh MSVCR71.dll is a System dll | 18:18 |
| satanmalin | have'nt you a prob with shitdows / | 18:18 |
| satanmalin | ? | 18:18 |
| grantc | no - your package must use it but you already have it installed from something elese | 18:19 |
| SlimeyPete | yeah, it doesn't come installed with Windows | 18:20 |
| SlimeyPete | it's just that it's quite common so many applications install it for you without you realising | 18:20 |
| grantc | you can redistribute it but you must follow some rules... | 18:23 |
| grantc | there is a file called redist.txt that comes with visual studio | 18:23 |
| satanmalin | damned so i have to dl it and to detect where is the system and to copy it into the system32 directory ? | 18:24 |
| grantc | no you can ship it with your application but you cannot over-write someone else's | 18:24 |
| grantc | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa984372(VS.71).aspx | 18:24 |
| SlimeyPete | yes, or put it in the directory that contains the program which requires it | 18:24 |
| grantc | i guess you get it with ingres when you install .net | 18:25 |
| satanmalin | anf what program do i use needs MSVCR ?? | 18:25 |
| satanmalin | i dont have installes .net | 18:25 |
| grantc | there may be ingres applications that depend on it. | 18:25 |
| satanmalin | so the simplest way todo is to dl this dll and to copy it where ? | 18:26 |
| grantc | somewhere in the ingres path | 18:27 |
| grantc | ingres\bin i guess | 18:27 |
| satanmalin | oki | 18:27 |
| DarylM | Why with all the open source stuff do we need a specialized microsoft dll? | 18:27 |
| grantc | eh ? it's not specialised | 18:29 |
| DarylM | If it does not ship with the OS, it is special, IMHO :) | 18:29 |
| satanmalin | may i take one on my computer to put it in the package ? | 18:30 |
| grantc | i don't know, i don't have the redist.txt file to hand | 18:31 |
| DarylM | beats me. Why is it needed? | 18:31 |
| grantc | the vm that will have it is shutdown right now | 18:31 |
| grantc | the same reason we link to libc on unix | 18:32 |
| satanmalin | Is it possible that this ****ing dll is installes with update ? | 18:39 |
| SlimeyPete | no. | 18:40 |
| satanmalin | yes installed with the .net framework | 18:41 |
| SlimeyPete | if you need to figure out where to put it dynamically, you can interrogate the %WINDIR% environment variable to find the Windows directory and then just append '\system\' to that | 18:42 |
| satanmalin | like a %WINDIR% | 18:44 |
| satanmalin | xcopy ****ing.dll %WINDIR%\system\****ing.dll ? | 18:45 |
| SlimeyPete | yeah | 18:45 |
| satanmalin | ill try it then | 18:46 |
| satanmalin | the problem i have is that all my machine has still this dll LOL | 18:46 |
| satanmalin | so i think the best way is to install it first | 18:50 |
| satanmalin | and where i can find this dll surely | 18:50 |
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| SlimeyPete | http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvcr71 | 18:52 |
| satanmalin | i was on it | 18:53 |
| satanmalin | i dll it on it | 18:53 |
| satanmalin | but is it sure ? | 18:53 |
| satanmalin | and safe ? | 18:53 |
| SlimeyPete | *shrug* I've used it before. Seems safe enough. | 18:53 |
| satanmalin | oki | 18:53 |
| satanmalin | thabks | 18:53 |
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| DarylM | back from working another problem. | 18:58 |
| satanmalin | i listen | 19:00 |
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| satanmalin | what is the problem ? | 19:01 |
| DarylM | I was just observing that error message again. Why does "iisetrex.exe" (an Ingres component) need MSVCR71,dll? Is the .NET framework now a basic requirement to running Ingres? | 19:02 |
| satanmalin | strangely when i run the intsll of ingres | 19:03 |
| satanmalin | the first time with a response file | 19:03 |
| DarylM | Drat. I forgot to take a snapshot of the VM image before starting | 19:03 |
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| satanmalin | it absolutely obiged me to install .et | 19:04 |
| satanmalin | obliged it forced me | 19:04 |
| satanmalin | i go to lunch ill be back in more or less 30 minutes | 19:05 |
| satanmalin | im back | 19:40 |
| satanmalin | is someone there or am i alone ? | 19:42 |
| satanmalin | DarylM ? | 19:45 |
| * DarylM is on a conference call | 19:45 | |
| satanmalin | ok | 19:46 |
| satanmalin | sorry | 19:46 |
| DerMeister | I'm here but that won't help you much if you have any questions :) | 19:46 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 19:46 |
| satanmalin | i; trying to solve the problem | 19:46 |
| troal01 | Anyone tried building ingres with the gnuwin32 toolset instead of cygwin? | 19:47 |
| satanmalin | im really dumb | 19:48 |
| satanmalin | Im trying to copy a file that I have not copy my computer | 19:49 |
| satanmalin | DarylM do you have an ftp where i can up the new file ? | 20:01 |
| satanmalin | do you want my mail ? or even my amsn adress? | 20:02 |
| satanmalin | DarylM must I copy this f****in dll in system or system32 ? | 20:40 |
| DarylM | I do not know. I use Windows only when I get bored pulling my finger nails out. | 20:42 |
| satanmalin | loooooooool | 20:42 |
| satanmalin | Do you have an FTP where i can up the file ? | 20:47 |
| satanmalin | or the source | 20:47 |
| DarylM | hummm | 20:52 |
| satanmalin | 600 Mb the source + the file | 20:56 |
| DarylM | yikes. Don't really want that much. | 20:58 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 20:58 |
| DarylM | I'm exploring a completely different Unix based technique using ISO imagese | 20:59 |
| DarylM | images* | 20:59 |
| DarylM | and a "loopback" file system mount on Linux and OS/X | 20:59 |
| satanmalin | cooool | 21:00 |
| DarylM | That way no installers are involved. The only restriction is that the mount point will be a pre-determined place. | 21:01 |
| DarylM | That is trivial on Mac as the desktop (Finder) always mounts ISO images under /Volumes | 21:01 |
| DarylM | So, I created /Volumes/EasyIngres (I hope you don't mind reusing the name) | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | Thats cool because your doing one of project Idea | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | it was doing it on a stick | 21:02 |
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| DarylM | I did that too. USB sticks are also mounted under /Volumes | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | yep | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | but the problem will be on the worst OS | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | windows | 21:02 |
| satanmalin | so indeed you are doing a easy ingres on linux | 21:03 |
| DarylM | just use Q: | 21:03 |
| DarylM | lol | 21:03 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:03 |
| * DarylM suddenly remembers Q was a bit of a malevolent figure in Star Trek | 21:03 | |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:03 |
| satanmalin | satanmalin doesn't know star trek | 21:04 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:04 |
| satanmalin | so daryl if your gonna do easyingres on linux i dont have to do it myself LOL | 21:05 |
| * DarylM picks himself up off the floor and sits back down. | 21:05 | |
| DarylM | OS/X is easier; doing that first. Well of course when paying clients give me a break...... | 21:06 |
| DarylM | ;) | 21:06 |
| satanmalin | ;-) | 21:06 |
| satanmalin | just as a question I must do it under linux will you be involved in the project with me ? | 21:06 |
| DarylM | Sure | 21:07 |
| satanmalin | OS/X they told me that ingres doesnt run under os/x | 21:07 |
| satanmalin | ? | 21:07 |
| satanmalin | i wont say who told me that | 21:07 |
| DarylM | I have it running right now testing a Java properties system in Eclipse | 21:07 |
| satanmalin | is it new ?? | 21:08 |
| satanmalin | or is it sth older than one year ? | 21:08 |
| DarylM | Not particularly. I started quite some time ago. Others better able to actually code the nuts and bolts took over and made it work. | 21:08 |
| DarylM | Started in 2004 | 21:09 |
| satanmalin | i have recompiled the file | 21:09 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:09 |
| satanmalin | im a new one in the ingres database | 21:09 |
| DarylM | It is community only. | 21:09 |
| satanmalin | (only this year LOL) | 21:09 |
| DarylM | There is no "official" production version | 21:10 |
| satanmalin | ah oki | 21:10 |
| satanmalin | the only officials version are on linux and Q: ? | 21:10 |
| DarylM | There are, in fact, several, uh, issues that would have to be fixed before it could be considered usable | 21:10 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:10 |
| satanmalin | where can I upload the file ? | 21:11 |
| satanmalin | now | 21:11 |
| satanmalin | ? | 21:11 |
| satanmalin | if you wanan test it | 21:11 |
| satanmalin | wanna | 21:11 |
| DarylM | which one? | 21:12 |
| satanmalin | the .exe | 21:12 |
| satanmalin | 94.3 Mb | 21:12 |
| DarylM | ftp://ftp.ingres.com/incoming/monda07 | 21:12 |
| satanmalin | anonymous i supose ? | 21:13 |
| DarylM | yuppers | 21:13 |
| * DarylM wonders why I typed "yuppers" | 21:13 | |
| satanmalin | for yup | 21:14 |
| satanmalin | and pers beacause its the superlative | 21:14 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:14 |
| satanmalin | its yupper yhan yup | 21:14 |
| satanmalin | yupper than yup | 21:14 |
| satanmalin | satanmalin is really bloody stupid | 21:14 |
| DarylM | FYI I run the 2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686 linux kernel (Fedora) | 21:15 |
| satanmalin | im connected | 21:16 |
| satanmalin | ill send you the file | 21:17 |
| DarylM | gonna take a while at that pace | 21:18 |
| satanmalin | if anything all right in more or less 30 minute youll have the file | 21:18 |
| satanmalin | pace ? | 21:18 |
| DarylM | rate | 21:18 |
| DarylM | speed | 21:18 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:18 |
| DarylM | or lack thereof | 21:18 |
| satanmalin | I hope this time it will work | 21:19 |
| satanmalin | and daryl are you an activist of the ingres team (like bruno or stef in France) or are you only a community member | 21:21 |
| satanmalin | because bruno gave me a piece of the mail but dont tell me more about you LOL | 21:21 |
| DarylM | Activist | 21:21 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:22 |
| satanmalin | so like bruno | 21:22 |
| satanmalin | ? | 21:22 |
| DarylM | I was a customer for many many years (1989-2001) but now, yes, like Bruno | 21:22 |
| satanmalin | oki so you work for ingres (just to know who is who LOL) | 21:23 |
| satanmalin | i; quiet lost | 21:23 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:23 |
| DarylM | yes | 21:23 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:23 |
| satanmalin | thats great | 21:24 |
| satanmalin | this project makes me love ingres more | 21:24 |
| satanmalin | its really intersting | 21:24 |
| DarylM | Cool. | 21:24 |
| satanmalin | 1989 ? so when ingres were still CA ? | 21:24 |
| DarylM | Ingres was "Ingres Corp." | 21:25 |
| satanmalin | (if i remember what bruno told me) | 21:25 |
| DarylM | Can you say "Back to the Future"? | 21:25 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:25 |
| satanmalin | a grea movie | 21:25 |
| satanmalin | great movie | 21:25 |
| satanmalin | Back to the future | 21:25 |
| DarylM | RTI -> Ingres Corp -> Ask Corp -> Computer Associates -> Ingres Corp | 21:26 |
| DarylM | :) | 21:26 |
| satanmalin | oki ill try to remeber it | 21:26 |
| satanmalin | and where are you from are you in the USA ? | 21:27 |
| satanmalin | in the us team | 21:28 |
| DarylM | Suburb of Chicago, IL, USA | 21:28 |
| satanmalin | oki | 21:28 |
| satanmalin | (im not a spy LOL only to know | 21:29 |
| DarylM | I Google very well :) | 21:29 |
| satanmalin | dont remember the name LOL | 21:29 |
| satanmalin | i have made a mistake between DerMeister and your name LOOOL | 21:30 |
| DarylM | http://www.google.com/search?q=Daryl+Monge | 21:30 |
| satanmalin | i find a site | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | State of the onion | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | respect | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | sorry | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | i have to call you Monsieur | 21:31 |
| satanmalin | or Mister | 21:33 |
| satanmalin | Me its easy im anonymous on google and anonymous everywhere | 21:34 |
| DarylM | I am a rather odd heritage of French, Italian, and German. So almost anything works...... | 21:34 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:34 |
| satanmalin | Italian ? | 21:34 |
| satanmalin | where ? | 21:34 |
| DarylM | Yup | 21:34 |
| DarylM | Cuneo | 21:34 |
| satanmalin | quindi parli italiano ? | 21:35 |
| DarylM | Nein | 21:35 |
| DarylM | ;) | 21:35 |
| satanmalin | euh ich habe deutsch gelernt aber ich spreche nicht deutsch | 21:35 |
| satanmalin | damned my german is NULL | 21:36 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:36 |
| satanmalin | et le francais ? | 21:36 |
| DarylM | My wife has been (trying) to study Francais | 21:36 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:36 |
| satanmalin | i tryed to learn english but too hard | 21:37 |
| DarylM | Since the US educational system does not support a 2nd language in the lower grades, it becomes very difficult to learn as an adult. | 21:37 |
| DarylM | Which is too bad really. | 21:37 |
| satanmalin | why does he not support ? | 21:39 |
| satanmalin | lower grade it like the 4th grade ?? | 21:41 |
| DarylM | yes | 21:41 |
| DarylM | age 5-11 really | 21:41 |
| satanmalin | (i know thw equivalent in france thanks to south park | 21:41 |
| satanmalin | :( | 21:41 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 21:41 |
| DarylM | http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1008/ | 21:42 |
| satanmalin | yeasssss | 21:42 |
| satanmalin | you like it ? | 21:42 |
| DarylM | The World of Warcraft South Park episode was the funnies thing I have seen in many years. | 21:42 |
| satanmalin | Yep | 21:42 |
| satanmalin | and the song Live to winn is made by Paul stanley | 21:43 |
| satanmalin | andi have dl the latest episode | 21:43 |
| satanmalin | wich was broadcasted yesterday in the US | 21:43 |
| DarylM | FYI: Ingres 9.3 windows community edition installed fine without the .NET provider install on a completely fresh Windows system. | 21:43 |
| satanmalin | who is FY ? | 21:44 |
| DarylM | For Your Information (FYI) | 21:44 |
| satanmalin | its not a 9.3 i use a 9.2 | 21:44 |
| satanmalin | sorry | 21:44 |
| satanmalin | i saw not a I but a | indeed i saw a pipe | 21:44 |
| DarylM | unlikely that there would be a difference with DLL dependencies | 21:44 |
| satanmalin | the dile is upped | 21:45 |
| satanmalin | the fileis yupped | 21:45 |
| satanmalin | upped | 21:45 |
| satanmalin | did you recieve it ? | 21:47 |
| DarylM | 98963208 Mar 12 21:45 EasyIngres.exe | 21:47 |
| satanmalin | cool | 21:47 |
| satanmalin | if you want the latest south park episode | 21:48 |
| satanmalin | http://rapidshare.com/files/208192385/South.Park.S13E01.DSR.XviD-0TV.rar | 21:48 |
| DarylM | Woot 900KBytes/sec download | 21:48 |
| DarylM | (Not south park, Easy Ingres :) | 21:49 |
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| satanmalin | sorry | 21:52 |
| satanmalin | reset by peer LOL | 21:52 |
| satanmalin | os soemone ther ? | 21:54 |
| satanmalin | or am I offline ? | 21:54 |
| DarylM | You are offline. Absolutely none of that came through | 21:55 |
| * DarylM laughs an evil laugh | 21:55 | |
| satanmalin | oki LOL | 21:55 |
| satanmalin | so ill restart LOOOOOOOOL | 21:55 |
| satanmalin | satanmalin is restarting himslef | 21:55 |
| satanmalin | did you recieved the link for south park ? | 21:56 |
| DarylM | Yes. The new EasyIngres.exe worked perfectly | 21:56 |
| DarylM | I am multitasking as I am currently trying to figure out why my Java properties file containing Ingres JDBC trace settings is not being recognized. | 21:57 |
| DarylM | :( | 21:57 |
| satanmalin | coooooooooooooool | 21:58 |
| satanmalin | UNIX or Windows? | 22:00 |
| DarylM | Unix | 22:01 |
| DarylM | But Eclipse and Java are pretty platform agnostic | 22:01 |
| satanmalin | ah oki thought it was easyingres that broke sth | 22:01 |
| DarylM | I keep Windows carefully isolated in Virtual Machines. | 22:01 |
| DarylM | (Plus I can create as many experiments as I wish) | 22:02 |
| satanmalin | your right | 22:02 |
| satanmalin | shame on me i have one machine per OS | 22:02 |
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| satanmalin | two machine per os sorry | 22:03 |
| DarylM | I currently have 3 client support VMs, EasyIngres, Our new ECM appliance, a Fedora install, A Windows 7 install, and a Ubuntu install | 22:03 |
| satanmalin | Windows 7 ??? | 22:03 |
| satanmalin | and how is it ? | 22:03 |
| DarylM | Beta | 22:03 |
| DarylM | Decent. | 22:03 |
| satanmalin | is it really better than vista ? | 22:03 |
| DarylM | I have no direct experience with Vista at all. | 22:03 |
| satanmalin | (i supposed yas worst cant be LOL) | 22:03 |
| satanmalin | oki | 22:04 |
| satanmalin | and how is 7 ? | 22:04 |
| satanmalin | compared to XP | 22:04 |
| DarylM | But Win7 looks a lot like a Mac | 22:04 |
| DarylM | ROFL | 22:04 |
| satanmalin | ROFL ? | 22:04 |
| DarylM | A variation of LoL. Rolling On the Floor Laughing | 22:04 |
| satanmalin | Dont forget im a froggy | 22:04 |
| satanmalin | oki | 22:05 |
| DarylM | Like watching South Park is often a ROFL. ;-) | 22:05 |
| satanmalin | YEP | 22:05 |
| satanmalin | (im watching all the seasons ) | 22:05 |
| satanmalin | not eaxclty watching | 22:06 |
| satanmalin | wathcing for 100 times would be more accurate LOL | 22:06 |
| DarylM | So am I bleeding edge here with Java or has someone used the jdbc trace properties before? (ingres.jdbc.trace.log) | 22:06 |
| pboro | I have | 22:07 |
| pboro | it's awful, I only use it as a last resort | 22:07 |
| DarylM | The trace output is awful, or the mechanisms for setting it up are awful? | 22:07 |
| DarylM | (or both I suppose...) | 22:07 |
| pboro | well... a bit of both :D | 22:08 |
| DarylM | I used to use direct coding because I could get away with it " d.setTraceLog("Trace.out");" but I am trying to use a properties file now. | 22:09 |
| pboro | is your properties file in the root of your classpath? | 22:11 |
| DarylM | Yup. In fact, I extract a URL from the properties file and that information is loaded fine. | 22:11 |
| pboro | but the driver does still not seem to be recognizing it? | 22:12 |
| pboro | which version of iijdbc are you using? | 22:12 |
| DarylM | the latest one from the SVN repository | 22:12 |
| DarylM | Just built it again today :) | 22:12 |
| DarylM | I suppose it could be broken, but it is much more likely I did something wrong | 22:13 |
| pboro | http://code.ingres.com/ingres/main/src/common/gcf/gcj/ingres/IngConfig.java | 22:13 |
| pboro | getConfig() does loading of the properties file | 22:13 |
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| DarylM | Thanks. saved me the trouble of searching for it | 22:14 |
| pboro | actually getConfig() only initiates it, http://code.ingres.com/ingres/main/src/common/gcf/gcj/util/ConfigFile.java is the real stuff | 22:15 |
| DarylM | More object oriented programming fun | 22:16 |
| DarylM | A close friend once observed that Java,C++, et.al. made good programmers really great and mediocre programmers really really awful. | 22:17 |
| pboro | hehe :D | 22:17 |
| DarylM | Fortunately, we have really good developers. | 22:17 |
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| pboro | I wish iijdbc supported setDatabase method for switching database without explicitly reconnecting with a different jdbc url | 22:18 |
| DarylM | That would be nice, but it would be a bit out of sync with the general Ingres paradigm of one db per connection. | 22:19 |
| pboro | yeah, but it would fulfill the jdbc specification | 22:20 |
| pboro | and many other requirements that are based on jdbc... :( | 22:20 |
| withdefault | If you use -Dingres.jdbc.property_file="property filespec" passed to the runtime you shouldn't need to rely on the file living somewhere in the class path | 22:20 |
| pboro | withdefault, does that take a file path or relative path inside classpath? | 22:20 |
| withdefault | it can be an absolute file pth | 22:21 |
| pboro | ok | 22:21 |
| withdefault | I've never tried a relative path | 22:21 |
| withdefault | The output is a bit difficult to follow but it is very informative once you are able to decipher it. | 22:22 |
| withdefault | I have a python script that parses it into a set of db tables so that you can reconstruct the queries with all the parameters | 22:22 |
| pboro | I've used P6Spy mostly | 22:24 |
| DarylM | That is pretty cool. You should publish it on community.ingres.com | 22:25 |
| pboro | DarylM, btw grantc is going to implement database switching to the PHP driver (because it is a requirement by the driver framework or similar) | 22:26 |
| pboro | I don't know how he's going to make it happen, prolly doing disconnect & connect under the hood... | 22:27 |
| DarylM | It is always good to meet requirements | 22:27 |
| DarylM | Disconn/conn would be the only way | 22:28 |
| DarylM | But that sounds acceptable to me. | 22:28 |
| * SlimeyPete wonders what practical purpose that would have | 22:28 | |
| SlimeyPete | we just connect to whichever database suits the query | 22:29 |
| DarylM | Compatibility most likely. MySQL has "use database;" | 22:29 |
| SlimeyPete | ah, I see | 22:29 |
| pboro | actually... switching the db runtime is not as important as a possibility to give the database name with setDatabaseName instead of the jdbc url | 22:29 |
| pboro | this already would make Crystal Reports work a lot better with iijdbc :) | 22:30 |
| pboro | I guess I could dig up this a bit from PostgreSQL and MySQL jdbc drivers and make a SIR with some sensible ideas | 22:31 |
| DarylM | I am a bit surprised. I was unaware there was such a facility in the JDBC specification | 22:31 |
| pboro | also it's silly to require port in the jdbc url | 22:31 |
| pboro | if it is not described, then II7 should be the default | 22:32 |
| DarylM | You mean like 80 is http, imaps is 993, etc? | 22:33 |
| pboro | yup | 22:33 |
| DarylM | jdbc:ingres: should be II7 | 22:33 |
| pboro | jdbc url for iijdbc always require the user to describe the port, ie. the url must always be jdbc:ingres://host:port/dbname | 22:34 |
| DarylM | (a.k.a port 21071) | 22:34 |
| DarylM | However, what does the actual JDBC spec allow? | 22:34 |
| pboro | lemme check | 22:35 |
| pboro | "The recommended syntax for a network address specified as part of a subname follows the standard URL naming convention for the subname:" -- "//hostname:port/subsubname" | 22:36 |
| pboro | but there are no restrictions | 22:37 |
| DarylM | URL naming convention would imply the :port is optional | 22:38 |
| pboro | yeah... and that's a common way in jdbc drivers | 22:38 |
| pboro | but the port thing is not a real problem, just a difference from majority of jdbc drivers | 22:39 |
| satanmalin | now i have to go to sleep my head is killing me and my eyes are burning | 22:39 |
| satanmalin | be backtomorrow | 22:39 |
| DarylM | bye | 22:39 |
| pboro | setDatabaseName support instead of dbname in the url would be much nicer fix :) | 22:39 |
| satanmalin | satanmalin be back | 22:39 |
| satanmalin | bye | 22:40 |
| pboro | bye satanmalin | 22:40 |
| satanmalin | and thank you daryl | 22:40 |
| satanmalin | by pboro | 22:40 |
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| withdefault | DarylM, I have an early attempt on the community wiki - I'll try to get round to publishing the new one. I used jython stuff from clach04 so you can use jdbc or dbi with the same script. | 23:03 |
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