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| grantc | morning Alex|, do you know where i can get a copy of the template for community.ingres.com? i want to put some clothes on websvn | 09:16 |
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| Alex| | what template - other than grabbing css and graphics with wget --spider ? | 09:17 |
| Alex| | best one to ask is probably Paul | 09:17 |
| grantc | yeah - that was plan b | 09:17 |
| Alex| | Paul or Shane | 09:18 |
| grantc | ta | 09:18 |
| Alex| | for esd back ago we used plan b | 09:18 |
| grantc | :) | 09:19 |
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| grantc | hi troal01, do you still look after bugs.ingres.com? | 12:28 |
| troal01 | grantc: Yes | 12:28 |
| grantc | ok | 12:28 |
| grantc | what's the story on getting the instance upgraded? are we still waiting on the SQLobjects port for Ingres? | 12:29 |
| troal01 | You mean to Trac 0.11? | 12:32 |
| grantc | what ever is current | 12:32 |
| troal01 | Well I have to create a patch for it that works with my backend + make sure the update/upgrade works properly | 12:34 |
| troal01 | I have one for that was for 0.11-alpha or some such thing | 12:34 |
| grantc | ok - the reason i am asking is i want to communify (add the community look/feel) | 12:34 |
| elPiola | grantc, which "look" (I see at least three) | 12:36 |
| grantc | wiki i guess | 12:37 |
| grantc | essentially the grey border/menu across the top | 12:37 |
| elPiola | yes, but the home page and others have that Exorcist green ... | 12:37 |
| grantc | http://community.ingres.com/forum/ is what i am aiming for | 12:38 |
| grantc | the bit in grey... | 12:38 |
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| troal01 | grantc: I remember upgrading Trac from 0.10.4 to 0.11 (not running on Ingres) and it screwed up all custom stuff. I'll let you know when I'm done the port | 12:45 |
| grantc | :ok thanks | 12:45 |
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| troal01 | Is building Ingres on Windows supposed to be a few hundred times slower than on Linux? :P | 14:04 |
| * troal01 is exaggerating but still | 14:04 | |
| DarylM | Wow, same physical machine? | 14:05 |
| grantc | vista right? | 14:08 |
| troal01 | Yeah | 14:09 |
| troal01 | Yes and yes :) | 14:09 |
| troal01 | I can build Ingres in about 10 mins in Linux | 14:09 |
| grantc | nuff said... | 14:09 |
| troal01 | How long does it take you to build Ingres in XP grantc | 14:09 |
| DarylM | Apparently longer than is reasonable ... ;) | 14:10 |
| troal01 | Blah getting errors now... can't find erqe.h and erfe.h etc | 14:18 |
| troal01 | And iiapidep.h | 14:18 |
| elPiola | VMS -> WNT. On VMS, it takes about 2 hrs to do a full build from scratch | 14:21 |
| elPiola | then again, that may be in part because the VMS CPUs are running at 500MHz | 14:25 |
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| elPiola | troal01, what does your Vista machine look like? | 14:26 |
| troal01 | elPiola: How do you mean? It's a Vista Business 32 bit install, I have cygwin, cazipxp, VS2003 and VS2005 installed with all SPs applied | 14:28 |
| elPiola | I meant the hardware | 14:28 |
| troal01 | Ah Intel E8300 duo core ~2.8GHz, 4 GB of RAM | 14:29 |
| troal01 | 200GB NTFS partition on a 7200RPM 32MB cache seagate | 14:29 |
| elPiola | yes, I think the CPU speed has a lot to do with it. Yours runs at over 5 times the speed as the VMS build machine, even though the latter has 4 CPUs, but Jam doesn't really use them all | 14:34 |
| Alex| | jam shouldn't... the build will probably fail when you compile on more than one core at a time | 14:35 |
| Alex| | the dependencies between build targets aren't properly set up for parallel compile | 14:36 |
| Alex| | Ingres builds in 5 minutes on my dual core but it randomly fails because of missing targets towards the end of the build | 14:36 |
| troal01 | Which is too bad, if we did get the dependencies set properly and could take advantage of several cores it would speed up really nicely | 14:37 |
| Alex| | indeed... the difference is quite impressive... but I guess the jam rules are from a time when multicore wasn't such a hot topic :) | 14:37 |
| elPiola | Alex!, I've never had a problem on VMS, and I typically run it -j4, but as I said, jam doesn't really use them all. From what I could tell, it only does cmd line actions in parallel | 14:37 |
| troal01 | If we had proper dependencies, we could build ingres in 2.5 mins on a Quad Core! | 14:38 |
| Alex| | I definitly have problems with compiling it with more than one core... even when you do the boostrap with one and the rest in parallel | 14:38 |
| Alex| | doing the bootstrap in parallel often means that esql is compiled before the esql compiler.... :) | 14:39 |
| troal01 | I'm not at all familiar with jamfiles but how difficult is it to set up such a dependency? | 14:40 |
| Alex| | from what I've heard it's not too difficult but an annoying thing to do, crawling through the countless rules that we have | 14:43 |
| Alex| | I don't find jam very intuitive but I'm also no make expert so I can't really tell which one is better | 14:44 |
| troal01 | Do we have a jam expert at Ingres? :) | 14:46 |
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| Alex| | I was talking to Alex Hanshaw about jam once and he seemed to know enough about it :) | 14:48 |
| elPiola | we have several people who know more than enough about Jam | 14:49 |
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| elPiola | just look at the names in the History of Jamrules | 14:50 |
| elPiola | anyone who's done more than 10 changes could be considered an expert | 14:50 |
| Alex| | :) | 14:51 |
| troal01 | Hehehe | 14:51 |
| troal01 | Gotta reboot, yay go Windows ****ing piece of shit OS | 14:53 |
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| DarylM | lol | 14:58 |
| grantc | hi bonro01 / rossand | 15:02 |
| rossand | Hi grantc | 15:02 |
| grantc | how is the piccolo<->svn relationship defined? i am looking for files that are in ingres!main!front!demo but not in /ingres/main/src/front/demo | 15:03 |
| rossand | That's a good question for bonro01. | 15:04 |
| DarylM | It is an exact match isn't it? | 15:04 |
| DarylM | http://ingres.pastebin.com/d393b22ad | 15:07 |
| grantc | ok thanks | 15:07 |
| grantc | DarylM, no - if you do "p sdirs -d" you will see the difference | 15:08 |
| grantc | what i am looking for is not in any label | 15:08 |
| DarylM | sdirs is mapped to real directories via a mapping file. So those path names don't really tell you much | 15:09 |
| grantc | there are other demos in that directory in ingres!main | 15:09 |
| rossand | grantc: that's why I think bonro01's expertise is required. AFAIK, the files his script syncs are files that are labeled and would have been in the community tar file previous to svn. | 15:10 |
| grantc | rossand, that's what I was thinking | 15:10 |
| grantc | since the code i am looking for was never officially in any release | 15:10 |
| DarylM | Looks like the PHP and Java "IngresDemoApp"* files are not in svn | 15:24 |
| grantc | yup | 15:25 |
| DarylM | :( | 15:25 |
| grantc | that's what i am looking for | 15:25 |
| DarylM | I figured :) | 15:25 |
| grantc | am trying to setup a new code samples repo | 15:25 |
| DarylM | cool | 15:25 |
| grantc | will use svn:externals to link to the svn source | 15:26 |
| grantc | if i can get svn:externals working | 15:26 |
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| troal01 | Back in good old Arch Linux making an XP image for my Ingres build | 15:29 |
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| bonro01 | grantc: not all Ingres files in the piccolo repository are replicated to subversion. We only replicate the code necessary to build on all supported platforms. So we only replicate 741 of 2258 directories. | 18:54 |
| DarylM | What about the demos? | 18:54 |
| DarylM | Many appear to be missing | 18:55 |
| bonro01 | Only the csharp and data directories are in the list. | 18:55 |
| bonro01 | Others can be added if they are deemed necessary. | 18:55 |
| DarylM | ?? | 18:55 |
| grantc | bonro01, i'll mail you the dirs i want added | 18:56 |
| DarylM | Why are there any demos excluded from the OpenSource repository? | 19:05 |
| bonro01 | Just because they were never part of the Ingres build process, so they were never included in the labels. | 19:08 |
| bonro01 | Only certain demo code was included in Ingres savesets. I don't know who decided what demo was included. It was decided long before Ingres went open source. | 19:11 |
| grantc | bonro01, iirc the c# demo came in with 9.0.4 or 9.1 | 20:23 |
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