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| satanmalin | Hi grantc | 11:03 |
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| satanmalin | Indeed yes i have discovered that it is impossible to upkload such a file LOL | 11:03 |
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| satanmalin | Hi again grantc | 12:19 |
| grantc | hi satanmalin | 12:19 |
| satanmalin | how are you ?? | 12:19 |
| satanmalin | thought you were on holidays | 12:19 |
| grantc | i am ok - | 12:20 |
| satanmalin | for easter | 12:20 |
| grantc | my part of spain was off last thurs/friday | 12:20 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:20 |
| grantc | different regions have different easter holidays | 12:20 |
| satanmalin | yep but i thought you were Xtian | 12:20 |
| satanmalin | sorry was the wrong one | 12:21 |
| grantc | err | 12:21 |
| satanmalin | what a mistake to make | 12:21 |
| satanmalin | :S | 12:21 |
| satanmalin | :/ | 12:21 |
| satanmalin | so indeed i have contacted you cause i spent 6 hours to try to upload | 12:22 |
| satanmalin | easyingres as bruno asked me | 12:22 |
| grantc | yeah i saw the forum post | 12:22 |
| satanmalin | on the page that bruno asked me to | 12:22 |
| grantc | i don't think the wiki is a good place to host a 100Mb file | 12:22 |
| satanmalin | (i know what you think cedric youre a stupid moy to have spend 6 hours on it) | 12:23 |
| satanmalin | boy | 12:23 |
| satanmalin | yep | 12:23 |
| satanmalin | but i tried in different ways | 12:23 |
| satanmalin | (of course the first i thought was i must have done a mistake somewhere ;-)) | 12:24 |
| grantc | perhaps there is no clear error message - i know others have had problems uploading files.. | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | tahats why i tried | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | thtas not that there is no clear error message | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | indeed | 12:24 |
| grantc | not to worry - as i said in my email I think the best place for it is in ESD | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | theres is no | 12:24 |
| satanmalin | error message | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | oki so how must i do | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | i have the exe on this machine | 12:25 |
| grantc | you cannot - someone inside Ingres has to put it there. I have access | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | you have | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | coool | 12:25 |
| grantc | the source code is another matter | 12:25 |
| satanmalin | the source code we will see later | 12:26 |
| grantc | or rather the sources you used to build | 12:26 |
| satanmalin | for the moment the most important is to up the exe | 12:26 |
| grantc | however since it is a community contributed item there may be some paper work to do | 12:26 |
| satanmalin | what is the paper work ?/ | 12:26 |
| satanmalin | like administrative things ? | 12:27 |
| grantc | and it seems i am one of the few people working today... the US is off as is most of €U | 12:27 |
| satanmalin | yep | 12:27 |
| grantc | yup - I don't know if i can just upload anything or if I need permission first | 12:27 |
| satanmalin | (i am one of the fez people working) | 12:27 |
| satanmalin | few | 12:27 |
| satanmalin | so is the paper work administrative things / | 12:28 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:28 |
| grantc | unfortunately it is going to take a few days for me to sort this out | 12:28 |
| satanmalin | internal to ingres ? | 12:28 |
| grantc | yes | 12:28 |
| satanmalin | why bruno told me to upload iothe project on the wiki so ? | 12:28 |
| grantc | i don't know if there is a process that has to be followed - afaik all the files on http://esd.ingres.com are generated by Ingres Corp | 12:29 |
| satanmalin | ill kick his ass LOL | 12:29 |
| grantc | had it worked the wiki would have been the quickest | 12:29 |
| grantc | otherwise it does take a bit more time... | 12:29 |
| satanmalin | would have but is not ROFL | 12:29 |
| satanmalin | yep | 12:30 |
| satanmalin | but it is strange | 12:30 |
| satanmalin | why ingres doesnt have something open to the community | 12:30 |
| satanmalin | for big project | 12:31 |
| grantc | we have esd but it being open is another matter, i was not involved in the spec for the project and cannot comment | 12:31 |
| grantc | like a lot of these things we deal with them when we first hit them | 12:31 |
| satanmalin | excuse me my opinion but is something essentiel for community project | 12:32 |
| satanmalin | if it is still closed the community may not be able to have Big ideas | 12:32 |
| grantc | sure, it's just that you are the first external project | 12:32 |
| satanmalin | only small ones if you see what i mean | 12:33 |
| satanmalin | really ?? | 12:33 |
| grantc | hosting the files is a small part of the process - it does not stop the ideas | 12:33 |
| satanmalin | it's a honour | 12:33 |
| grantc | yes - Café is similar but it came from within | 12:33 |
| satanmalin | indeed not he idea but as an exemple i can developpe somethng and because I cant ul poeple can distribute it without gavin the source to the community | 12:34 |
| grantc | the fact that it will be hosted on Ingres Corp servers may involve you sign some stuff | 12:34 |
| satanmalin | (i think of someone i know)\ | 12:34 |
| satanmalin | like what ? | 12:35 |
| satanmalin | i dont sell my soul | 12:35 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 12:35 |
| grantc | for working on the Ingres source code you need to sign a contribution agreement | 12:36 |
| grantc | there may be something similar... | 12:36 |
| satanmalin | so its not open source ? | 12:36 |
| grantc | i am not a lawyer and am probably talking rubbish... | 12:36 |
| grantc | ingres is yes | 12:36 |
| satanmalin | thats not my opinion on opensource but if it is | 12:36 |
| grantc | the contribution agreement for the server allows Ingres Corp to co-own the code | 12:36 |
| satanmalin | thats not my vision of opensource maybe im wrong | 12:37 |
| grantc | so anything you give us we can then include in the product if we wish | 12:37 |
| satanmalin | you mean like to pass from community to entreprise | 12:38 |
| grantc | yes | 12:38 |
| satanmalin | i dont think my project will came entreprise LOL | 12:38 |
| satanmalin | so indeed once again im depending on you ? | 12:38 |
| grantc | re-enterprise, no but we may need a distribution agreement or something.. I don't know. Perhaps I am free to upload anything I want but I want to make sure that is the case before i do it | 12:40 |
| grantc | yes - i need to send an email to the relevant people. I don't know how long it will be before i get a response/approval | 12:41 |
| grantc | but before I can do that I need a copy of the executable | 12:41 |
| satanmalin | and how can i upload you the exe ? | 12:42 |
| grantc | rapidshare? | 12:42 |
| satanmalin | thats quiet strange | 12:42 |
| grantc | it's temporary | 12:42 |
| satanmalin | normally i use rapidshare for other stuffs | 12:42 |
| satanmalin | ;-) | 12:42 |
| grantc | the alternative way is to put it on ftp.ingres.com but i need to work out how that is done since it is mainly used for support | 12:43 |
| satanmalin | because you think that this project will be supported ? | 12:44 |
| grantc | no | 12:44 |
| satanmalin | if you wanna know how it is done i can explain it | 12:44 |
| satanmalin | to you | 12:45 |
| grantc | i am looking for a way you can send me a 100MB file... one such way is the way our paying clients send us files and that is using our ftp server | 12:45 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:45 |
| satanmalin | but im sending it as you asked me | 12:45 |
| satanmalin | on rapidshare | 12:45 |
| satanmalin | its is upping | 12:45 |
| satanmalin | it is uppin | 12:46 |
| grantc | ok - sounds good | 12:46 |
| grantc | paste the link here when you have it uploaded | 12:46 |
| satanmalin | will you be on the irc in about 30 minutes ? | 12:46 |
| grantc | i will be around, i have to prepare lunch | 12:46 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:47 |
| satanmalin | and last question | 12:47 |
| satanmalin | do yu have tested easyingres | 12:47 |
| satanmalin | ? | 12:47 |
| grantc | not yet | 12:47 |
| satanmalin | :( | 12:48 |
| grantc | i have a VM which I can use to test | 12:48 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:48 |
| satanmalin | i hop so | 12:48 |
| satanmalin | jope | 12:48 |
| satanmalin | hope | 12:48 |
| grantc | before i was setting it up but then had 5 issues i had to deal with | 12:48 |
| satanmalin | i hope you will tell me what you think about that project | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | ;-) | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | no problem grant just was joking i know that you are overbooked | 12:49 |
| grantc | :) | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | but your opinion count | 12:49 |
| satanmalin | s | 12:49 |
| grantc | i'll give it a look tomorrow - i have some testing i need to do for a new php driver | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | euh tell me | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | because if i need to put it into the | 12:50 |
| satanmalin | easyingres | 12:50 |
| grantc | it's not required for easy ingres or rather the demo but one of the fixes i put in this weekend fixes ingres_prepare/ingres_execute | 12:51 |
| satanmalin | thats should be intersting for the project isnt it ? | 12:52 |
| grantc | yes in a future release of the demo application it will be | 12:52 |
| grantc | but the demo app does not use them at the moment | 12:52 |
| satanmalin | oki | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | a thing that maybe i will do is to translate the demo | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | because its only in english | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | so for the froggy | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | (such as me) | 12:53 |
| satanmalin | ... | 12:53 |
| grantc | that's a good idea - perhaps you should look at templating | 12:53 |
| grantc | so we can apply a language file | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | templating ? | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | you know that my englsih isnt so good grant | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | :p | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | so dont use word i cannot understand | 12:54 |
| satanmalin | you have to do your lunch so first do the lunch and then when your back if you have time we ll discuss on it | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | if you do not | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | madame will hurt you with the | 12:55 |
| grantc | if you port the application to french you have two options, either you re-write all the english in to french or you make it so that the application detects the language and replaces tokens/fields with the correct language | 12:55 |
| satanmalin | rolling pin | 12:56 |
| grantc | the first way means you have two applications or one for each language | 12:56 |
| grantc | when i update the english one you will need to apply the same code changes _and_ translate | 12:56 |
| satanmalin | for easyingres i think it is simpyest to rewrite | 12:57 |
| grantc | the 2nd way means you just update the language file | 12:57 |
| satanmalin | and honstely i dont know to template | 12:57 |
| grantc | in the short term yes it is probably quicker but if I port it to Spanish ... | 12:57 |
| satanmalin | ill try to see on the web how to do | 12:58 |
| satanmalin | and if i have some prob may i ask you help ? | 12:58 |
| grantc | search for i18n or internationalization | 12:58 |
| satanmalin | have sth on debian | 12:59 |
| satanmalin | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ | 12:59 |
| grantc | yup that's the basic idea | 13:01 |
| grantc | in php you have a file that contains an array of fields and the text for the field | 13:01 |
| satanmalin | according to you it seems to be easy | 13:01 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 13:01 |
| grantc | the hard part will be going through the application to setup the markers for replacing with the local text | 13:02 |
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| satanmalin | i will try | 13:03 |
| grantc | in english those things are called tokens | 13:03 |
| satanmalin | if i found in french | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | LOL | 13:04 |
| grantc | http://caucho.rz.klopotek.de/resin/examples/quercus-gettext/index.xtp - is one way it can be done... | 13:04 |
| satanmalin | http://v-flauder.developpez.com/tutoriels/php/i18n/ | 13:04 |
| grantc | something like that,although that seems a bit too much for the demo | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | itf it helps me | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | .... | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | im fluent in french | 13:06 |
| satanmalin | not in english LOL | 13:06 |
| grantc | sure but we will need to agree a way this can be done | 13:07 |
| grantc | use it as a way to learn the concepts | 13:07 |
| satanmalin | yes general | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | ;-) | 13:08 |
| satanmalin | and ill use it as a way to learn english too | 13:09 |
| grantc | :) | 13:09 |
| grantc | have a look at http://php.net/gettext | 13:09 |
| satanmalin | thats what i was looking for on google LOL | 13:09 |
| grantc | http://php.net/manual/fr/book.gettext.php | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | coool its in french | 13:10 |
| satanmalin | in less than 3 minutes you ll have the link | 13:11 |
| satanmalin | http://rapidshare.com/files/220793040/EasyIngres.exe.html MD5: DE26D12DA872B4B66490B54FE0E142A7 | 13:12 |
| satanmalin | does it works ? | 13:13 |
| satanmalin | tell me if the link is broken | 13:20 |
| grantc | it's downloading now | 13:23 |
| satanmalin | ok | 13:24 |
| grantc | the other thing to look at is PHP object template | 13:24 |
| satanmalin | oki ill look at this | 13:25 |
| satanmalin | when you have tested tell me | 13:25 |
| satanmalin | ill look at the translation later today | 13:25 |
| grantc | it will be tomorrow | 13:25 |
| satanmalin | ok | 13:25 |
| satanmalin | enjoy your meal grant | 13:26 |
| satanmalin | and c ya tomorrow | 13:26 |
| grantc | thanks | 13:26 |
| grantc | cu | 13:26 |
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| satanmalin | rossand are you there ?? | 16:04 |
| satanmalin | you wanted to test easyingres if my memory is goos | 16:04 |
| satanmalin | good | 16:04 |
| satanmalin | or is it darylM? | 16:04 |
| satanmalin | dont remember aninyway | 16:05 |
| satanmalin | anyway | 16:05 |
| satanmalin | the rapidshare link is available on the wiki archives | 16:05 |
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| satanmalin | merde boulette MDR | 20:53 |
| satanmalin | sorry wriong irc chan | 20:53 |
| DarylM | Interesting translation. | 20:59 |
| lefred | lol | 20:59 |
| satanmalin | sorry | 21:08 |
| satanmalin | the transaltion is damned a mistake LOL | 21:08 |
| satanmalin | dont shoot me | 21:09 |
| satanmalin | lefred francais ? | 21:09 |
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| lefred | satanmalin: francophone :) | 21:18 |
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| satanmalin | cool ca change | 21:35 |
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