Tuesday, 2009-04-14

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satanmalinhi again09:02
grantchi satanmalin09:15
grantcjust so you know I have been given permission to upload the exe to esd.ingres.com09:16
satanmalinhi grantc09:16
satanmalincoooooool09:16
satanmalini have to send you the readme09:16
grantcok09:17
satanmalinwhere do you want me to upload the txt09:17
Alex|grantc, where do you want to put it?09:17
Alex|do we need a branch for community contributions or does it fit into one of the existing ones09:18
grantcI dunno09:18
Alex|is it a development tool?09:19
grantci was thinking of creating an EasyIngres under Community09:19
grantcsort of..09:19
Alex|I don't think creating a second-level entry for each contribution makes sense... could become crowdy in the future09:19
Alex|IMHO cafe also belongs to dev tools and not in its own entry09:20
grantcfair enough09:20
grantcthe workbench is there too09:20
grantcunder dev09:20
Alex|jup09:20
Alex|I'd suggest to put it there09:21
grantcwill do09:21
grantcsatanmalin, what is the version and license?09:26
satanmalinversion 1.009:32
satanmalinand license GPL 2.009:32
satanmalinsorry grant was at the phone09:32
grantcok thanks09:32
grantcnp09:32
satanmalinhow can i upload you the readme file ?09:33
satanmalinand wehere09:34
satanmalinor you do you prefer ir by mail ?09:34
grantci have renamed the file to    EasyIngres-1.0.0-x86-win32.exe09:34
satanmalinAs you want09:34
satanmalinNow you are the Master09:34
grantcmail should be fine09:34
satanmalinbecause we need to attached the readme file to the .exe09:35
grantchow do you mean attach?09:36
grantci can put the two in a zip file09:36
satanmalinthat should be an idea09:36
satanmalinindeed what is the best09:37
grantcok09:37
satanmalinto be sure that people09:37
satanmalinhave read the readme Before installing Easyingres09:37
Alex|if you upload it separatly, people can read the readme before they download 100MB...09:37
Alex|you can do both, of course09:37
satanmalinDo the best solution you think it is09:38
grantcAlex|, i was planning on doing both09:38
satanmalinFirst of all grantc do you have tested the version ?09:45
grantcnot yet09:46
satanmalinFirst you up ?and then you test ?09:46
grantcconsidering how long it will take to upload from here :)09:47
satanmalin30 minutes/09:47
satanmalin?09:47
satanmalin1 day ?09:47
satanmalin1 month ?09:47
satanmalina year ?09:47
satanmalina decade ?09:47
satanmalina century ?09:47
satanmalina millenium ?09:47
grantcat the moment it says 10 hours :P09:47
satanmalinho my god ?? are you in 56K ?09:48
grantcsomething like that...09:48
satanmalindo you think its the connection or the site ?09:49
grantcam not sure - i am going to try via a box on the internal network09:49
Alex|grantc, do we have anything about the ruby driver, other than the driver itself?09:50
grantcit could be my isp who is rate limiting me09:50
grantcAlex|, howdoyamean?09:50
Alex|a demo, examples, anything that could be used to present it?09:50
satanmalindo youwant me to upload ?09:50
grantci have a copy of the FF demo09:51
Alex|ruby is just a headline in the wiki, no content :)09:51
grantcbut it does not work :)09:51
Alex|wow :)09:51
Alex|interactive demo... how to get it working ;)09:51
grantcsomething like that09:51
grantcits now in piccolo and when i fix the problem in the demo/driver it will get published in svn09:52
Alex|any chance this happens before June? :)09:52
grantcsatanmalin, unfortunately only ingres staff members can upload to esd.ingres.com09:52
grantcAlex|, mail my boss :)09:52
Alex|ah, damn, wrong appointment... this one is even early may :(09:53
grantcwhen?09:53
Alex|no fixed date yet, but I guess 1st or 2nd week09:53
Alex|of May09:53
grantcok - email teresa and I guess it will get put on my list09:54
satanmalinsorry grantc it was to help09:54
Alex|the customer is interested in Ruby... it's just one of many things to show but so far I have nothing at all09:54
Alex|I'll mail Teresa09:54
grantcor, the alternative is i give you the code ... :P09:54
Alex|err, yes, on the flight to Malta I learn Ruby and fix the demo.... :)09:55
satanmalinGrantc "or, the alternative is i give you the code ... " was for whom ?09:55
grantcsatanmalin, it's for Alex|09:55
satanmalinoki09:55
grantcAlex|, +109:55
Alex|;p09:56
satanmalingrantc to report you a bug when i select New york in the php demo it has a little bug09:58
grantcwhat's the bug?09:59
satanmalinit doesnt work try to load and put me a 500 internal error09:59
grantccan you look in the log files to see if you can get any more information10:00
satanmalinjust let me  30 minutes i have to put another hdd in my laptop10:01
satanmalin(one for linux the other for windows)\10:02
grantcno problem - i am in no hurry :P10:02
Alex|grantc, do you still work on that driver? Is it something I can recommend to the customer?10:05
grantcyes and it depends10:06
Alex|:) because the wiki says it's alpha10:06
grantcI have not tested it against the latest activerecord  for rails10:06
grantcerr10:06
grantchttp://code.ingres.com/ingres/drivers/ruby/main/readme.html#more_information - i need to update the wiki page10:07
grantcbtw the FF demo is ruby/tk not rails10:12
Alex|that's ok... I don't know if they want Ruby or Rails...10:13
grantcif the prospect uses DBPs then forget rails10:13
Alex|just said Ruby, which sometimes is Rails, too :)10:13
grantcor forget workking within the confines of the rails arch...10:13
Alex|so I'll focus on Ruby :)10:14
grantcjust be aware that activerecord the db bit of rails enforces its own world view and any digression from the WV is considered heresy10:15
Alex|I guess I have to read a little bit about it first, before I present it......10:16
grantcthink emacs vs vi, mac vs windows only worse10:16
Alex|great :)10:16
grantcthings could be better now :P10:17
Alex|promising ;p10:18
grantchttp://wiki.rubyonrails.org/start?redirect=1 is a good starting point ...10:19
grantcthen there are the docs that come with the GEMs10:19
Alex|ah right, GEM... I think I have looked into that before.. sounds familiar10:20
grantcthink deb but for rails10:21
Alex|yup10:21
satanmalinim running10:21
grantcwe don't have one ...10:21
satanmalinshitdows10:21
satanmalinit ,makes me an Apache HTTP Server10:23
satanmalinerror10:24
satanmalinwith the classical send the rport or dont send10:24
grantcsure but there must be something in the apache error log10:24
satanmalinwhat log do you want10:24
satanmalinoki apache10:24
satanmalineuh grant if i tell you no error10:25
satanmalinin the error log10:25
grantcok10:26
satanmalinthe php one ?10:26
satanmalinnone in the php10:26
grantcno idea - it depends on how you have setup10:26
satanmalinthe problem is only onnew york10:27
satanmalinthe other airport work10:27
satanmalinairports10:27
grantcok - i will add it to my "list"10:27
satanmalinsorry :(10:30
grantcnot to worry10:31
grantci have some other PHP demo issues to look at as well10:31
satanmalinIndeed im quiet proud of easyingres10:32
satanmalini hope you will apreciate it10:34
grantcyou have certainly come along way10:34
grantci'll give you my opinion when i get a chance to install it :)10:35
satanmalinhope its a chance10:35
satanmalinnot a nightmare10:35
satanmalinlol10:36
grantcits there - http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/10:51
satanmalinso it not have taken 10 hours10:51
satanmalinthats a good news10:51
grantci used a box in New York...10:52
grantcthey have a bigger phatter pipe10:52
satanmalin;-)10:52
satanmalinoki10:52
satanmalinjust a question10:52
grantc?10:52
satanmalindo we have to put it like cafe in the10:52
satanmalinscrolling menu10:53
grantc?10:53
satanmalinI font know if its the right term10:53
grantcno - i think café is in the wrong place10:53
satanmalinoki10:53
grantcAlex| and i were talking about that earlier...10:53
grantcsame for the Eclipse DTP bundle...10:54
grantcthat is not something I can change10:54
satanmalinoki10:55
satanmalinill send he link to Bruno and emma10:55
satanmalinthank you grant10:55
grantcCan you write a forum post announcing the release?10:56
satanmalinho i have an error now10:56
satanmalinLOL10:56
satanmalinthe error on new york10:56
satanmalina gray page10:56
satanmalinXml error10:56
satanmalindamn close it10:56
satanmalinajax error10:56
satanmalinon what forum/11:02
satanmalin?11:02
satanmalindo you want me to post ?11:02
grantci guess http://community.ingres.com/forum/development-tools-utilities/11:04
satanmalinI ask just to not make a mistake11:04
grantci can move the post should it be put in the wrong location11:05
satanmalinyes but to avoid you to have to move the post11:06
satanmalini prefer to post it inn the right location11:06
grantcsure11:07
satanmalinA new community project is available on   http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/  What is it ?  A developpement tool for PHP   It installs Apache Ingres (of course) PHP Scite and fox it reader  More information ??  Try it ;-)11:11
satanmalinthis is my post11:11
grantcsure  - make sure you reference the readme for people who already have ingres installed.11:12
satanmalinokio11:12
satanmalinFOR PEOPLE WHO HAS STILL INGRES RUNNING ON THEIR MACHINE PLEASE READ THE README FIRST  A new community project is available on   http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/  What is it ?  A developpement tool for PHP   It installs Apache Ingres (of course) PHP Scite and fox it reader  More information ??  Try11:13
satanmalinis that ok ?11:14
grantcchange the CAPS to use the bold/underline feature11:14
satanmalinokio11:14
satanmalinhow to put in bold ?11:15
satanmalini tried <b> </b>11:15
grantcthere is a toolbar that has it as an option11:16
grantci guess it is [b] or something like that11:16
satanmalinno tool bar11:16
grantcclick "go advanced"11:17
satanmalinill do it after i have tried some stuff and it worked11:18
satanmalin[b][u]For people who has still INGRES on their machine, Please read CAREFULLY the readme first[/u][/b]11:20
satanmalinis it correct ?11:20
grantcpreview it?11:20
satanmalinyes it is Underlined and bold11:20
satanmalinbut is the english correct ?11:20
satanmalinis my english correct ?11:22
grantcFor people who already have Ingres installed, see the README.txt file for some important information11:22
satanmalinoki11:23
satanmalin[b][u]For people who already have Ingres installed, see the README.txt file for some important information[/u][/b]  A new community project is available on   http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/  What is it ?  A developpement tool for PHP   It installs Apache Ingres (of course) PHP Scite and fox it read11:23
satanmalinreader  More information ??  Try it ;-)11:23
grantcyou should link to the wiki project page for more information11:24
satanmalinoki11:24
satanmalin[b][u]For people who already have Ingres installed, see the README.txt file for some important information[/u][/b]  A new community project is available on   http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/  What is it ?  A developpement tool for PHP11:26
satanmalinIt installs Apache Ingres (of course) PHP Scite and fox it reader  http://community.ingres.com/wiki/Ingres_Easy_PHP  More information ??  Try it ;-)11:26
grantcsure11:26
satanmalindo you like ?11:26
grantcyup11:26
satanmalindo i have something to coorrect ?11:26
satanmalinoki I post11:27
satanmalini have link the wiki to http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/11:29
satanmalinpage11:29
satanmalinthe wiki page11:29
satanmalinhttp://community.ingres.com/wiki/Easy_Ingres_PHP_Downloads11:30
grantcsounds good11:30
satanmalinand the file name is EasyIngres-1.0.0-x86-win32.exe ?11:31
satanmalinso instead of easyingres at the bottom of the page may i put EasyIngres-1.0.0-x86-win32.exe11:32
satanmalin?11:32
grantcyup11:32
grantci renamed the file so you can distinguish between different releases11:32
satanmalinthats a good idea11:33
satanmalin;-)11:33
grantci have them from time to time :)11:34
satanmalinyoure lucky11:34
satanmalinmine are like the halley comete11:35
satanmalinrealle rare11:35
grantceasy ingres was/is a good idea11:35
satanmalinreally rare11:35
satanmalinyes but my other idea is stupid or hard yto make11:36
grantcthe other idea being?11:36
satanmalineasy ingres on a stick11:36
satanmalinwithout install11:37
satanmalinthe one o todl you a year ago11:37
grantcsure - but v1 of easyingres gets you most of the way there. the rest is party down to how ingres works and embeds the directory locations in certain files11:38
satanmalinbut im not as good as you are Grant11:38
satanmalinIm still a noobs11:38
satanmalinnoob11:38
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grantcconsidering you have only just started you are doing well. I have been working on Ingres since 95 ...11:39
satanmalinyes but thanks of the help11:40
satanmalinyou11:40
satanmalinbruno11:41
satanmalinstephane11:41
satanmalinetc11:41
grantcbruno has more years than me11:41
satanmalinhe is older than you too11:41
satanmalinyour 30 he is 4011:41
satanmalinyoure11:41
grantci wish i was so young :11:41
satanmalinmore or less11:42
grantc:)11:42
satanmalinyou told me but ont remember11:42
satanmalindont11:42
satanmalin3411:42
satanmalin?11:42
satanmalini know youre young11:42
satanmalinor maybe like my (futur) wife11:43
satanmalin3611:43
grantcsomething like that..11:43
grantchttp://twitter.com/grantcroker/status/1515832123 - easyingres on twitter11:43
satanmalincoool11:44
satanmalinbut first test it11:44
satanmalinif its no good11:44
satanmalinLOL11:44
satanmalinill put it on my myspace11:44
grantci have installed it and rebooted my PC, lets see what i have11:45
satanmalinthe stress is going on11:46
satanmalinyour verdict will be important11:46
satanmalini try to do my best your honour11:47
satanmalini swear it11:47
grantcit would be nice to get some screenshots for the wiki11:47
grantcshowing the menu and stuff11:47
satanmalinmight you do it11:48
satanmalin(so you will choose the most important things)11:48
grantci remember asking a colleague for a menu, similar to what you have in the task bar and was told it could not be done...11:48
satanmalinit is done a eatraymenu11:48
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satanmalinim back11:54
satanmalinit cuts11:54
satanmalini was telling you grant11:55
satanmalinthe menu is on aetraymenu11:55
grantcok11:55
satanmalinhttp://www.xs4all.nl/~broekroo/aetraymenu/11:55
satanmalinnow im looking for the same menu on linux which is not easy12:00
grantcyou might need to write a program to do the same thing12:02
grantcthe demo app does not work at all for me, i cannot connect12:03
satanmalinsimple question do you have a password on your machine ?12:04
satanmalinon windows ?12:04
grantci do12:04
grantcthe thing is the application run as "system" ingres is running as "system" and it should work12:05
satanmalinquiet bizarre12:05
satanmalinall your service are runnin ?12:05
satanmalindo yu have changed12:06
satanmalinFirst of all do you have any other12:06
satanmaliningres running or installed on the ,machien ?12:06
grantcno - this is a clean machine12:07
grantchttp://ingres.pastebin.com/m2fd6e41c12:07
grantcLocalSettings.php has not been configured correctly12:07
satanmalingrant12:08
satanmalingrant grant12:08
satanmalinwhen you run the localhost12:08
satanmalinyou will have12:08
satanmalina webpage12:08
satanmalinyes or no12:08
satanmalin?12:09
satanmalinand on this web page12:09
satanmalinyou normally have12:09
satanmalinHow to connect to the database12:09
satanmalinor to the demo12:09
grantcyes12:09
satanmalindont you ?12:09
satanmalintake a look at at the how to12:10
satanmalinconnect12:10
satanmalini have made something to help12:10
satanmalintell me if it is clear12:10
grantchmm -  it is kind of..12:13
grantcis there no way to set the Instance code to WI rather than for me to manually set it?12:13
satanmalinHonestly I dont know12:14
satanmalinits on the demo12:14
satanmalinthat i can do that12:14
grantcthat can be changed..12:14
grantcperhaps another entry in LocalSettings for installation code12:14
grantcif it is not defined/set default to II else use that value12:15
grantcI see the problem you mention regarding NY12:15
satanmalinthats why i have made the print screens LOL12:15
grantcbtw its LOGIN not LOGGIN :)12:15
satanmalinoups12:16
satanmalinjust a question do you know myspace ?12:16
satanmalinill correct it in 10 minutes12:18
satanmalinthe time to know how does myspace work12:18
grantci know of myspace... i have never used it12:18
satanmalinim trying to put easyingres on but ...12:18
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troal01Always so hard to get up after a long weekend :P12:22
satanmalingrant12:23
grantc?12:23
satanmalintell me whre the mistake is12:23
satanmalinwith login12:23
grantcyour instructions for setting up the connection12:24
satanmalinill correct it now and so i can upload you the modified version12:24
satanmalinoki12:24
grantci would leave it for the time being for when there is something more important to change12:25
satanmalinoki12:26
grantcthis is one reason we use source code control ... or rather its how i use it, collect a bunch of fixes and when we have arrived at a particular point or we have enough changes we can make a new release12:26
satanmalini think we change it when the new york bug will be fixed12:26
grantcso your next step is to make available the source files for the project12:26
grantcfor example12:27
satanmalinyep but where /12:27
grantcwhere is easy - what to put there is more problematic...12:27
grantcat least for me... since easyingres contains ingres/apache/scite/dw....12:27
grantci don't think putting those files into SVN is a good idea12:28
satanmalinsourceforge ?12:28
grantcan alternate solution would be to have a document that details where you can get them from12:28
satanmalinwhy dont ingres "hebrege" the source12:29
grantc?12:29
satanmalinhebrege12:29
satanmalinheberge12:29
grantcwhat's that?12:29
satanmalinheberge12:29
satanmalinhost12:29
satanmalinhost12:29
grantcthe source code for ingres is in http://code.ingres.com/ingres/main12:30
satanmalinwhy dont ingres host the ource12:30
satanmalinof the projects12:30
grantcwe do12:30
grantchttp://code.ingres.com/apps12:30
grantcbut the source code = "the files needed to build" the project12:31
satanmalinyep12:31
satanmalinso why cant i put the source there12:31
grantcsize of the files for one thing...12:32
grantcand that source code servers like svn are not used for re-distributing binary files...12:32
satanmaliningres is so complicated12:33
satanmalinLOL12:33
grantcif you look at http://code.ingres.com/cafe/trunk/ the Café project, you will not find a copy of ingres there.12:33
grantcit's not just ingres that does it this way...12:33
grantcfor a project like yours you would link to the various source code systems for each individual component and build each one12:34
grantcin svn those links are called externals12:35
grantcso we could have a link for http://code.ingres.com/apps/easyingres/trunk/apache which points to the apache svn server and will download the code from there when you check out from code.ingres.com12:36
grantcfor your project the simplest way forward is for you to write a "menu" of ingredients and the steps you need to build easy ingres12:37
grantcsome of that will involve config files/program code that can go into svn12:37
satanmalinill just aks you a few moment just 2 or 3 minutes im back12:39
grantcok - i have lunch to get ready and I need to look at some other issues12:40
satanmalinhere ismy myspace page12:52
satanmalinhttp://www.myspace.com/satanmalin12:52
satanmalinso i put easyingres onto13:04
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grantcsatanmalin, where did you get the ingres files from for easyingres?14:13
satanmalinemma gave me14:15
grantcok you need to re-package with the GPL release of Ingres14:26
grantci need to have lunch now but will sort this out with you later on today14:27
satanmalincall me on the wiki ithink ill be there14:30
satanmalinbruno told me to check with emma14:32
satanmalinbecasue its emma that gave us the link to 9.2 community edition14:38
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grantcsatanmalin - forget the problem regarding the license15:15
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satanmalingrantc Why >????15:34
satanmalinis it good ?15:34
grantcyeah - there was some confusion regarding what you were provided15:35
satanmalingrantc i will struggle you (with friendship)15:35
satanmalinwhen you told me15:35
satanmalinit snot the good version15:35
satanmalini asked bruno cause its emma that gave me the version15:36
satanmalini was stressing15:36
satanmalinyou would like to kil me ?15:36
satanmalin you seems nice and quiet but indeed you are grantc the IRC butcher a killer who is always thirsty of the external comunity  blood15:37
satanmalinLOL15:37
satanmalini was in panik mode15:37
* grantc sharpens his knives15:37
satanmalinLOL15:37
satanmalinsatanmalin put his nike to run faster15:38
grantci can understand regarding the panic - not to worry. You should have  a plan in place for replacing components.15:38
satanmalinyep but to have a version15:38
grantcWhen Ingres 9.3 or 9.4 comes out....15:38
satanmalinit has taken one week15:38
grantci have some sympathy since the php driver takes 1 day to release15:39
satanmalinLOL I know15:39
satanmalinbut problems i had concerning the developpement15:39
satanmalinfirst of all they gave me 2006 r3 with a php driver you gave wich was not odffical15:40
satanmalinthen15:40
grantcsure but you learn from those problems15:40
satanmalinthey told me to put the php 5.2.815:40
satanmalini dl it and rebuilt but during this time the 5.2.9 exited and i have to revbuild with the 5.2.915:40
satanmalinafter all15:41
satanmalinthey asked me to put the new driver with a new version of ingres15:41
satanmalini asked during more than one week to have the 9.2 in the community version (not available on the web site )15:41
satanmalinand once this version had15:42
satanmalinthey told me to change once again the php driver 2.0.1 to 2.1.015:42
satanmalinyes15:42
satanmalini learn15:42
grantci am about to release 2.1.1 :)15:42
grantcor will do...15:42
satanmalinplease15:42
satanmalindont fdo it15:42
satanmalinLOL15:42
grantconce i do some testing15:42
satanmalini forgot of course the problem within the new drivers and the demo LOL15:43
grantcwelcome to a world of developing software - a never ending lifecycle...15:43
satanmalinand im quiet happy cause bruno gave me some contacts15:43
satanmalinbecause honestly15:43
satanmalinmore alone than i was i should have committed suicide with an RJ45 cable15:44
satanmalinyep15:44
satanmalinthanks for the poisoned gift15:45
satanmalinLOL15:45
grantc:)15:45
grantcsometimes you just need to step away from a project to get some fresh ideas15:45
satanmalinsomtehing in the project its that it makes me pratice english15:45
grantci do it from time to time. spend a few days working on other stuff15:45
satanmalin(i know he is still bad )15:45
satanmalinthats what i have done15:46
satanmalinbut im someone stressed15:46
grantcmore practise needed then :)15:46
satanmalinyep thats why i continue15:46
satanmalinand thanks grant to make the effort to try to understand me15:47
satanmalin;-)15:47
grantcno problem, i am happy to have helped15:48
satanmalinif I do the project on a stick will you help me ?15:48
satanmalinand honestly the i18n I have not really understand how does it work (if you have some example )15:49
satanmalini had an example on a site but it doesnt work15:49
grantcregarding the i18n stuff, that is something I will have to do in the demo app15:51
grantcall you would need to do is write the french translations15:52
grantcon top of that the "help" needs translating as well15:52
grantca good way for you to practise your english15:53
grantcingres on a stick - perhaps I can help - there may be some big obstacles to overcome...15:53
satanmalinyes the volume i think15:55
satanmalinon windows15:56
grantcyup that's the major issue15:57
satanmalinyes i think15:57
satanmalinbut i saw something interesting15:57
satanmalinmyabe something to cheat on15:58
satanmalinlike mounting the volume everytime on the same letter15:58
grantcyup that would be one way to do it but for that to work your current install method will not work..15:59
satanmalinyep15:59
satanmalinunfortunately not15:59
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satanmalinfor those who are interesting by easyingres (on windows)19:45
satanmalin http://esd.ingres.com/product/Community_Projects/Development_Tools/Windows_32-Bit/EasyIngres/19:45
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troal01Hey is there supposed to be a libadf.1.so in Ingres?21:32
DarylMNot on my linux system21:34
troal01Hmm gdal is using -ladf.1 and it's not happy21:39
DarylMThat is legal.  There IS libadf.1.a21:53
DarylMmake that libadf.a21:53
DarylMI don't know on what platforms extra shared libraries are created, or in which versions of Ingres.21:54
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troal01Thanks DarylM I'll have to investigate some more I think22:55
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