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| Gerhard | Hi all | 03:57 |
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| grantc | morning | 04:08 |
| Gerhard | I wonder if I'm the only one who would prefer a good old FTP site instead of the esd.ingres.com web portal | 04:20 |
| Vroomfondle | I'd quite like that, if only because the Ingres site has a nasty tendency of causing Firefox to crash on me at the moment (it's not the only site that does it - I think Karmic's FF build is still a bit dodgy) | 04:22 |
| Vroomfondle | it'd also be nice if the ESD site mentioned the fact that you need commercial OpenRoad before you can install Empire (I got caught out by that yesterday ;) ) | 04:23 |
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| Gerhard | esd.ingres.com has some strange "features": if logged in with my registered account, I cannot see the Community and Icebreaker products. So that means I have to log off to browse to the download page for community products, but to start the download, I have to login again... | 04:26 |
| Gerhard | Also bad: it's not possible to save direct download URLs because they will expire after a while. | 04:27 |
| Vroomfondle | I don't really see why one should have to log in in order to download the community stuff | 04:28 |
| Gerhard | Yes, you're right, but actually you have to. | 04:29 |
| grantc | Vroomfondle, it's mainly for tracking | 04:29 |
| Vroomfondle | that's not common practice in the OSS world and it might put off people who are just casually browsing around for something to play with | 04:29 |
| Vroomfondle | I see | 04:29 |
| grantc | Personally, I think registration should be optional but the powers that be say otherwise (not that I was involved with the development of ESD) | 04:30 |
| Alex| | I downloaded RHEL last week - I had to register, enter my shoe size and then wait to get my request processed by a human to send me a mail with the download link | 04:30 |
| Gerhard | last but not least RSS feed http://esd.ingres.com/external.php is broken. It tells me last change was August 14th "Ingres 9.2 Patches", but I know there were some newer patches in the meantime... | 04:31 |
| Vroomfondle | Alex|: Aye, that sucks too but it's not common | 04:31 |
| Alex| | Gerhard, best is to send those things to community.admin@ingres.com and they will get paid attention | 04:32 |
| Gerhard | Maybe I'll open a thread on community.ingres.com | 04:33 |
| grantc | In theory it should be possible to integrate FTP with your community login | 04:33 |
| grantc | giving you the chance to download with the correct rights | 04:33 |
| Alex| | the ftp is already attached to ldap... but the salesforce mapping is done in the app layer | 04:34 |
| grantc | is the ftp server for esd the same as ftp.ingres.com¿? | 04:36 |
| Alex| | no | 04:36 |
| grantc | so the SF layer controls who has access to what? | 04:37 |
| Alex| | yup | 04:37 |
| grantc | fair enough | 04:37 |
| Alex| | and this is something you don't want to do with ldap groups or so... so esd gives you a temporary user each time you want to download something | 04:38 |
| Alex| | and this user has access to only what you download now | 04:38 |
| grantc | perhaps... but you could have entitlements in the LDAP record and the access enforced by RADIUS | 04:39 |
| Alex| | probably not the best thing in the world but it keeps you more or less independent of the actual storage, so e.g. we can build a CDN without changing the application | 04:39 |
| Gerhard | grantc: is it possible to connect to esd.ingres.com with an FTP client like Filezilla? | 04:52 |
| grantc | i don't think so - as Alex| mentioned a temporary user/password pair get created | 04:53 |
| Gerhard | Is it possible to insert the mathematical sign "smaller or equal" into an Ingres char field? Do I have to use unicode for this? | 04:57 |
| Alex| | when you hit the download link esd will redirect you to another location. When you choose ftp and depending on your browser you will get ftp://user:***** where you don't get told what *** is... but if you chosse HTTP you can easily copy that link into any download manager... but login will be valid only for a limited time | 04:57 |
| Gerhard | ...I mean the sign that is listed as # 243 on http://www.asciicodes.com/ | 04:58 |
| Vroomfondle | chr(243) maybe? | 04:59 |
| Vroomfondle | or char(243) | 04:59 |
| Gerhard | Vroomfondle: both work, but produce some other special character. Thanks. | 05:03 |
| Vroomfondle | how odd. I'm pretty sure they're meant to follow the standard ASCII code table. | 05:03 |
| grantc | Gerhard, it could be your codepage is not setup correctly | 05:03 |
| Gerhard | You mean II_CHARSET ? | 05:14 |
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| Dejan | hello | 06:32 |
| Vroomfondle | hi. | 06:35 |
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| grantc | Gerhard, re II_CHARSET - yes in a way. I assume you are seeing the problem with the # on Windows? | 07:35 |
| Gerhard | grantc: yes, it's a Windows machine. | 07:43 |
| Gerhard | ...and (for some historic reason) we setup all our Ingres installations with II_CHARSET=DECMULTI | 07:44 |
| grantc | if inserting via DOS/CMD.exe it's possible that # is not the same code point for a Windows application | 07:44 |
| grantc | i.e. the byte value is not the same.. | 07:45 |
| Gerhard | I have run "insert into mytable values (chr(243))" in isql... | 07:46 |
| Gerhard | ...which told me: 1 row | 07:46 |
| Gerhard | than controlled the data with VDBA, which showed some special character in the new row, but not the desired one. | 07:47 |
| grantc | that's the problem | 07:52 |
| grantc | let me see if i can get on to a windows box | 07:53 |
| Gerhard | OK, thanks. | 07:54 |
| grantc | from a cmd prompt - what does the command "chcp" return? | 07:56 |
| Gerhard | Aktive Codepage: 850. | 07:57 |
| grantc | looking at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc195064.aspx - char(243) is the symbol for 3/4 | 07:58 |
| grantc | is that what you see in VDBA? | 07:59 |
| grantc | or do you get an "ó"? | 07:59 |
| Gerhard | yes, that's it. | 07:59 |
| grantc | looking at 850 there is no <= char | 08:00 |
| grantc | I guess you will need to use unicode | 08:01 |
| Gerhard | OK, I'll try with unicode. Thanks. | 08:02 |
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